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Learning about Innovation from Half a Century of Conway's Game of Life

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Re: Learning about Innovation from Half a Century of Conway's Game of Life

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It’s more like a continuous eye roll since 2002 when he released _A New Kind of Science_. I spent around 15 years working on stochastic lattice models. They can be amazing. They can also fail to capture the essence of the problem. Same with cellular automata. They’re definitely not _new_. They weren’t new in 2002. I’ve always viewed Conway’s game of life as an interesting deterministic variant of an Ising model, and…

And yet because Wolfram has a perpetual money machine called Mathematica, he’s got a huge megaphone to advocate for himself.

Wolfram primarily posts to his blog and occasionally publishes a book. He’s not exactly buying a marketing blitz with all of his money. Wolfram Research itself is primarily focused on other things too.

I don’t know what it is about Stephen Wolfram that drives people crazy. Yes, he’s self aggrandizing, but he’s hardly unique in that respect. Simply read past it or roll your eyes and move on. But apparently there are more than a few people who can’t help themselves (even this thread is an example).

Re: Learning about Innovation from Half a Century of Conway's Game of Life

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post #11

The cool thing about Conway's Game of Life is that you can't predict it unless you do the full recursion, there is no shortcut. It relates to external undecidability of recurrent processes.

Wouldn't every Turing complete cellular automaton have this property? What would be an example of a nontrivial (i.e., sufficiently expressive) CA that is "predictable"?

One example would be a CA that takes an exponential number of steps to emulate n steps of a Turing machine. That allows you to predict exponentially far into the future by running the TM machine instead.

Re: Learning about Innovation from Half a Century of Conway's Game of Life

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It’s more like a continuous eye roll since 2002 when he released _A New Kind of Science_. I spent around 15 years working on stochastic lattice models. They can be amazing. They can also fail to capture the essence of the problem. Same with cellular automata. They’re definitely not _new_. They weren’t new in 2002. I’ve always viewed Conway’s game of life as an interesting deterministic variant of an Ising model, and…

Not to weigh against Wolfram one last time, but he's (finally?) renamed Mathematica just "Wolfram". Why he would toss out years of brand-related goodwill is beyond me.

Have you opening Mathematica recently? Or visited the product page for Mathematica[1]? The only change has been branding the language itself as the “Wolfram Language” where Mathematica is just one of their product offerings.

[1]: https://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/?source=nav

Re: Learning about Innovation from Half a Century of Conway's Game of Life

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Not to weigh against Wolfram one last time, but he's (finally?) renamed Mathematica just "Wolfram". Why he would toss out years of brand-related goodwill is beyond me.

Have you opening Mathematica recently? Or visited the product page for Mathematica[1]? The only change has been branding the language itself as the “Wolfram Language” where Mathematica is just one of their product offerings. [1]: https://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/?source=nav

Mathematica is open on my computer as we speak (or, rather, now Wolfram.app). The "About" screen indicates "Wolfram 14.2". I have a seat on an site licence.

https://imgur.com/a/WUpSsF8

(If you're interested in what I'm currently doing with it, I'm playing around with Mathematica's neural network library.)

Re: Learning about Innovation from Half a Century of Conway's Game of Life

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Wolfram's problem is mindset IMO. There's a certain kind of highly intelligent mind, but because of fame, money, habit or personality, makes them intellectually lazy. Instead of doing the proofs, research, careful discussion and reconceptualizing that leads to useful theories and conclusion, they jump straight to the end, because they think they're smart. This produces some impressive sounding theory, but which upon closer inspection proves to be to be too vague to actually be testable, if not contain outright errors. People I put in this group including Wolfram and his computational theories, Langan and his Cognitive Theoretical model of the Universe, and the Italian school of algebraic geometry. There's a kind of interesting perception here. A reasonable person thinks one who makes correct theories is an intelligent man. Others think they are intelligent, so therefore their theories are correct.

Re: Learning about Innovation from Half a Century of Conway's Game of Life

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post #57

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Wolfram's problem is mindset IMO. There's a certain kind of highly intelligent mind, but because of fame, money, habit or personality, makes them intellectually lazy. Instead of doing the proofs, research, careful discussion and reconceptualizing that leads to useful theories and conclusion, they jump straight to the end, because they think they're smart. This produces some impressive sounding theory, but which upon…

My impression is different: I think Wolfram is plenty hard-working, but his internal mental life is so full of fantasies of unlimited success and fame that he cannot manage an impartial-enough evaluation of his own work output.

Re: Learning about Innovation from Half a Century of Conway's Game of Life

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Have you opening Mathematica recently? Or visited the product page for Mathematica[1]? The only change has been branding the language itself as the “Wolfram Language” where Mathematica is just one of their product offerings. [1]: https://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/?source=nav

Mathematica is open on my computer as we speak (or, rather, now Wolfram.app). The "About" screen indicates "Wolfram 14.2". I have a seat on an site licence. https://imgur.com/a/WUpSsF8 (If you're interested in what I'm currently doing with it, I'm playing around with Mathematica's neural network library.)

The "About" screen indicates "Wolfram 14.2"

Mathematica (MMA) and the Wolfram Language (WL) used to be the one and the same. But now a user could be using WL in a web based notebook, through Wolfram Alpha, or even on SystemModeler.

The brand name “Mathematica” isn’t going anywhere, not after nearly forty years. It’s basically marketing being like “how do we communicate updates to WL as not just being updates to MMA?”.

Re: Learning about Innovation from Half a Century of Conway's Game of Life

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post #4

> if we want to get closer to the study of the pure phenomenon of innovation Innovation in the real world is often driven by the usual incentives of capitalism, like the basic need to out-compete the competitors by improving quality or lowering costs. I do not really think Game of Life serves as a model for innovation in the real world; it might serve as a model of the pure phenomenon of innovation. In the real world…

This is a myopic view. How would we have gotten to the point of human history when capitalism became predominant if innovation is driven by capitalism? Also, humanity is hardly an economy of capitalism any more. More similar to oligarchical capital feudalism.

Well the pace of innovation before the dominance of capitalism was slow. It became much faster afterwards.

Re: Learning about Innovation from Half a Century of Conway's Game of Life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mathematica is open on my computer as we speak (or, rather, now Wolfram.app). The "About" screen indicates "Wolfram 14.2". I have a seat on an site licence. https://imgur.com/a/WUpSsF8 (If you're interested in what I'm currently doing with it, I'm playing around with Mathematica's neural network library.)

The "About" screen indicates "Wolfram 14.2" Mathematica (MMA) and the Wolfram Language (WL) used to be the one and the same. But now a user could be using WL in a web based notebook, through Wolfram Alpha, or even on SystemModeler. The brand name “Mathematica” isn’t going anywhere, not after nearly forty years. It’s basically marketing being like “how do we communicate updates to WL as not just being updates to MMA?”…

> The brand name “Mathematica” isn’t going anywhere

But it’s not what it used to be. Now you don’t “run” Mathematica - you “access” it running another program. It’s basically marketing to weaken one brand and strengthen the other.

“Upgrading from Mathematica to Wolfram”

https://reference.wolfram.com/language/tutorial/UpgradingFro...

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