I find the Proton tools to be a joy to use and I use them for my business. For clients, I can't do that to them. Microsoft completely dominates and people just expect to be able to video call, chat, work on docs, etc. MS365 remains incredible value for money and pretty optimal for normies.
Moving away from US cloud services
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#42Also, sorry, but the idea that EU countries are in any position to build a serious hyperscaler is pure fiction. Growth, funding, risk, innovation - those are alien concepts to European entrepreneurs.
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#43One relatively simple thing we're missing on the Swedish cloud market is someone offering OIDC SSO, Chat, Video meetings, e-mail, calendar and file sharing. I can't even say which European company offers this, Proton maybe? Being a long time open source advocate I think it can be done, but system integration would never be as good as MS or Google. But this simple platform would get a lot of SMB's to migrate.
Legally Proton is not based in European Union nor European Economic Area. Switzerland is extra EU just like USA, China or Russia
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#44The biggest elephants in the room are cloud providers, but I didn't find an easy alternative yet (hetzner, ovhcloud). ATM, the idea to the business is sold, that data resides somewhere near by in a datacenter, EU proximity. However, the EU businesses are realising that, well, whole region is at a mercy of one person.
OVH and Hetzner are excellent companies. I doubt there would be any problem with them in the future.
E.g. if you're using AWS Cognito then you're not going anywhere.
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#45The vendor lock-in from something like Proton feels way worse as a result.
Can't speak to Proton Pass, but it strikes me as a replacement that seems unnecessary: if Bitwarden is a problem, the server can be selfhosted, something which the OP seems to be familiar with.
Some of the others feel of more... questionable issues to have with US cloud services; it's hard to find problems with Dockerhub and NPM that aren't just general problems with these services/the company behind them (mainly NPM). Maybe that's just because the public/private concern for both of those services is pretty different than the others mentioned here.
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#46Anyone knows a good github/lab alternative that is hosted in Europe? That article scared me of the potential loss of my code.
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#48I wonder if shifting to cloud providers in the EU will lead to the rise of giant European cloud companies in both technology and infrastructure, or if this is just a short-term trend.
I'd like that. Personally, I prefer to self host all my stuff. But I can't do that to our clients. I want to provide them with something that makes them independent from us, something they can just hire any random agency or freelancer to work on. That leaves AWS and Azure as strong options. There's a number of European cloud providers ( https://www.stackit.de looks especially interesting), but I'm looking for too-big…
I have the same attitude and regularly find (sales) people not understanding why I'm doing this. They are pathologically looking for my angle. But there's none.
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#49https://web.archive.org/web/20210729190016/https://support.s...
The original link is dead for some reason: https://support.startpage.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Artic...
TL;DR: Startpage appears owned by an ad company? https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bizjournals.com/losa...
Could someone explain to me how an ad company and a privacy company work together? Seems like opposing interests?
Maybe Ecosia will be a good alternative later on: https://blog.ecosia.org/eusp/
Another suggestion would be https://searx.space/
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#50I moved my side project websites off of US VPS providers to an old MacBook Air 2015 I had lying around.