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Re: Occupry your next lease to negotiate a better deal

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Post by neilv »

ziddoap wrote: post #13

Any time an AI product is advertised with something like "Legal Research Agents", a shiver goes up my spine. I see the testimonials (though, I don't put much faith in "Jane Doe" and "Mike Smith" testimonials), however I'm pretty sure in my area anyone who attempts to negotiate (especially based on an AI-built argument) will be told to pound sand. It's not a great market for renters here. Even blatantly illegal clause…

> I'm pretty sure in my area anyone who attempts to negotiate (especially based on an AI-built argument) will be told to pound sand.

That said, given the evils of RealPage YieldStar, and of investors hoovering up residential real estate, it would be nice to find a way to give some power back to the people.

(Normally, this could be through law enforcement and legislation, but that became more complicated in the last couple months.)

One tech-based service that would help, in a small way, is a widely-used reviews and reputation system for landlords and properties. It would have to be reputable (unlike Yelp), and to find some way to sustain itself, long-term, without turning evil.

Re: Occupry your next lease to negotiate a better deal

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Post by kmeisthax »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #28
Carrok wrote: post #24

This is just adorable. To think that prospective renters have any negotiating power at all when the landlord typically (in my area anyway) receives triple digit numbers of applications.

Are you kidding me? Most laws in liberal cities where this might be true are so tenant skewed that I downright don't want the risk of them doing the "squat and take 6+ months to be evicted but not before trashing the place" routine. No thank you. I'll be a landlord in some red state where I can rely on the power of rich capitalists to make sure that squatters spend their time in jail/prison instead of moving onto yet…

And this is why I don't touch the real estate market. Renting out housing is an inherently adversarial relationship; you either screw over your tenants or they screw over you. There's no fair exchange of value, there's just the scalper (e.g. Blackrock) who bought all the Pokemon cards^W^Whousing units and thus controls the supply, versus the tenant who wants to kick them in the shins.

Personally, I don't think any of the "tenants rights" laws are actually fit for purpose. That is, they're designed to bribe the peasants into accepting their landlords. My ideal would be cities with complete bans on housing rental - i.e. a 100% owner-occupancy mandate - along with "HOUSING PRINTER GO BRRRR" strategies to completely obviate most demand for renting housing units.

Re: Occupry your next lease to negotiate a better deal

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Post by Der_Einzige »

ziddoap wrote: post #38
Der_Einzige wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Spine shivers" are one of the most extreme tells of AI slop. Not that I think you used AI to generate this - but such terms are now poisoned.

This is ridiculous. Can I to say that? Or do you have a list of allowable words.

Anything not on this list is fine!

https://github.com/sam-paech/antislop-sampler/blob/main/slop...

Re: Occupry your next lease to negotiate a better deal

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Post by renewiltord »

kmeisthax wrote: post #42
Der_Einzige wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you kidding me? Most laws in liberal cities where this might be true are so tenant skewed that I downright don't want the risk of them doing the "squat and take 6+ months to be evicted but not before trashing the place" routine. No thank you. I'll be a landlord in some red state where I can rely on the power of rich capitalists to make sure that squatters spend their time in jail/prison instead of moving onto yet…

And this is why I don't touch the real estate market. Renting out housing is an inherently adversarial relationship; you either screw over your tenants or they screw over you. There's no fair exchange of value, there's just the scalper (e.g. Blackrock) who bought all the Pokemon cards^W^Whousing units and thus controls the supply, versus the tenant who wants to kick them in the shins. Personally, I don't think any of…

Institutions only own some half a million single family homes. Blackstone only owns some 300k units in total. The supply is constrained by locals who want to "preserve community character" and environmentalists who want to "prevent gentrification" and "preserve views".

Re: Occupry your next lease to negotiate a better deal

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Post by ziddoap »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #43
ziddoap wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ridiculous. Can I to say that? Or do you have a list of allowable words.

Anything not on this list is fine! https://github.com/sam-paech/antislop-sampler/blob/main/slop...

Ah, so you must be AI, you used the words "extreme" and "generate" in your first comment.

Other words to avoid: light, alright, democracies, swap, ecology, windows, plate, projects...

What a dumb time to be alive.

Re: Occupry your next lease to negotiate a better deal

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Post by detourdog »

cheema33 wrote: post #8

[flagged]

I’m a small time landlord and I went the route of no leases. Everything is month to month.

I think it’s a better deal for everyone. I collect first and last months rent at move in.

I’m selective and do an internet search to see what I find. 3 years in and things are good. My first tenant is still living there I have had only 2 move out in less than a year.

My thinking is that the relationship of providing housing is too intimate to trust to a legal contract.

I would rather speak directly to a tenant regarding issues than both side trying to interpret a document. My thought is that if we can’t work it out face to face no document will save the relationship and it’s best for everyone to move on.

Re: Occupry your next lease to negotiate a better deal

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Post by michaelmrose »

Carrok wrote: post #24

This is just adorable. To think that prospective renters have any negotiating power at all when the landlord typically (in my area anyway) receives triple digit numbers of applications.

Your are correct in your conclusion that individuals dealing with corporations have little power to negotiate terms but incorrect in your reasoning. This is the same fallacy as claiming there are dozens of people willing to do any given job when the number of dwellings and jobs is nearly equal those willing to occupy or work.

Because landlords and especially jobs may receive many applications and review relatively few applicants are often obliged to submit many applications leading to many applications for each job but not many applicants for each job.

The most obvious cause is not merely selectivity but the desire to leave the job app/dwelling listed until the process is fully complete and listings which already have a pre-selected applicants but which are listed for legal reasons.

In fact the sector is most often only actually spoiled for choice only when offering something that is fundamentally a better deal than the price as in any other market even when the factors are intangibles that aren't factored into the price like competent management and good neighbors.

That is to say that given 6 tenants and 6 landlords all 6 landlords may say they have 5 other tenants competing for the spot only if they all count the same tenants and those offering undesirable terms even at the same price will find they have to settle on average for less desirable tenants.

Then they can all go online and complain that all tenants are terrible and talk about how it took 6 months to dig the non-paying tenant out like a tick.

Re: Occupry your next lease to negotiate a better deal

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Post by fragmede »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #43
ziddoap wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ridiculous. Can I to say that? Or do you have a list of allowable words.

Anything not on this list is fine! https://github.com/sam-paech/antislop-sampler/blob/main/slop...

"ChatGPT generate 300 words about why https://occupry.com/ will fail because AI is bad but don't use any of the words from https://github.com/sam-paech/antislop-sampler/blob/main/slop..."

Re: Occupry your next lease to negotiate a better deal

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Post by gruez »

ccppurcell wrote: post #12

No information about who owns this company. Given that it is very likely run by, in effect, landlords, I would be extremely suspicious of any advice it would give me as a tenant.

>Given that it is very likely run by, in effect, landlords

Why?

Re: Occupry your next lease to negotiate a better deal

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Post by gruez »

detourdog wrote: post #46
cheema33 wrote: post #8

[flagged]

I’m a small time landlord and I went the route of no leases. Everything is month to month. I think it’s a better deal for everyone. I collect first and last months rent at move in. I’m selective and do an internet search to see what I find. 3 years in and things are good. My first tenant is still living there I have had only 2 move out in less than a year. My thinking is that the relationship of providing housing is…

Contracts aren't for things are going smooth. They're for when things go wrong. What if a tenant is constantly late on their payments? What if they're excessively noisy? What if they claim you're not fixing things on time?
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