I don’t think governments should have access to the “make the protestors immediately go away” button that they can just hit whenever they want.
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No, I don't think that's what they were implying.
Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia
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#42Serbia had the LRAD systems on hand, after buying them in 2022, most likely from Genasys, but possibly from HyperSpike. https://genasys.com/lrad-products/ It's a legal gray area in Serbia where the use against civilians isn't explicitly forbidden, so they're playing fast and loose and moving fast to crush opposition. It's better than troops just gunning people down, but for a modern, supposedly civilized country it's…
You are aware that these LRAD systems have been used against US citizens, aren't you?
When?
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#43Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia
#44Serbia had the LRAD systems on hand, after buying them in 2022, most likely from Genasys, but possibly from HyperSpike. https://genasys.com/lrad-products/ It's a legal gray area in Serbia where the use against civilians isn't explicitly forbidden, so they're playing fast and loose and moving fast to crush opposition. It's better than troops just gunning people down, but for a modern, supposedly civilized country it's…
the only acceptable condition to use it maybe if there are riot or violence breakout in that area not for peaceful protest
It's a weapon meant to deny the use of an area by threatening non-selective permanent physical damage. There are very few legitimate civil use cases for something like that.
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#45It really isn't smart to do this kind of thing. Once an organization actually attacks you, it's very easy to decide that any legitimacy they view themselves as having is irrelevant and to come back next Monday with mortars and machine guns.
Estimates are that something like 300,000+ people were out actively protesting just in Belgrade... in a country of 6.6 million people.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
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There are "dual-use" systems, and there are systems that are only weapons. There's also technologies and basic research, but those are different matters. I'm first interested in the more straightforward situation of the people who worked on a less-lethal weapon system, which they might've anticipated would be used in exactly this way. What do they think about that?
> I'm first interested in the more straightforward situation of the people who worked on a less-lethal weapon system, which they might've anticipated would be used in exactly this way. What do they think about that?
It seems easy to justify it as "it will take the place of lethal weapons", as with tazers
Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia
#47Serbia had the LRAD systems on hand, after buying them in 2022, most likely from Genasys, but possibly from HyperSpike. https://genasys.com/lrad-products/ It's a legal gray area in Serbia where the use against civilians isn't explicitly forbidden, so they're playing fast and loose and moving fast to crush opposition. It's better than troops just gunning people down, but for a modern, supposedly civilized country it's…
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Everything short of the worst we've ever done is totally OK? What even is this argument?
Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are aware that these LRAD systems have been used against US citizens, aren't you?
When?
Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are aware that these LRAD systems have been used against US citizens, aren't you?
When?
Apparently used multiple times during Black Lives Matter protests:
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/06/04/204368...
Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia
#50I've seen some theories that it was actually an ADS (basically a low-power microwave beam, immensely painful but tuned to be just under the threshold to actually cause visible burns), since there haven't been any reported cases of permanent deafness yet. The student organizers in the crowd did an incredible job clearing people out of there before the police could escalate further and cause more mob-crowding panic dea…
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