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The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by dartos »

ksec wrote: post #34

I disliked Google ever since they started their "Do No Evil" PR campaign. For as long as I remember I was the extreme rare few on internet against them. And I also disliked Chrome. Especially the direction of the web they are using Chrome to push forward. And I also disliked Electron. But I am against DOJ forcing Google to sell off Chrome. Especially when most of Chrome is open sourced. I think this is just plain wro…

Electron isn’t a google product…

Also why bring up disliking something as though you were ahead of the curve only to stop short of actually being in favor of taking action?

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by dartos »

lolinder wrote: post #11

To try to stem the tide of "Trump will just make this go away because ${corruption}", I want to remind everyone of a few things: * This is not a Biden-admin lawsuit. It was launched by the first Trump admin. * Of the 14 co-plaintiffs, only 1 (CA) is a state that didn't vote for Trump in 2024. The Colorado Plaintiff States include another 16 red states, for a total of 29 red states represented. As much as it's trendy…

> it's actually been doing exactly what it said it would do to satisfy its base

Yes and no.

Lots of quick sweeping local changes were promised to specific states during trump’s rallies in those states only for him to go silent on them post election.

I don’t think flip flopping on tariffs was part of his platform either.

But generally, yes, this is what was voted for.

He takes the gish gallop approach to governing, so it’s hard to make any large statements like this without being a little incorrect.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by keepamovin »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #38
keepamovin wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the risk of smoting from the Google Gods ( I should be careful, I make a product that depends on their browser ), I think the best thing that should happen to Chrome, if it's going to be sold off - is it becomes a "public utility" and basically is a model for actually publicly stewarded open development. Like maybe what the Mozilla Foundation should have been, like what many actual C-based open source OS projects…

>This is all probably too vague and unspecified for you lot...but it is just an idea. Forgive me for being blunt, but what idea? If the question is who is supposed to fund Chromium and Firefox going forward then you haven't actually offered any ideas.

It's okay. Yes, it is just an idea, specifically of making it public. I think the government should pay for it. What do you think?

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by keepamovin »

robertlagrant wrote: post #31
keepamovin wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the risk of smoting from the Google Gods ( I should be careful, I make a product that depends on their browser ), I think the best thing that should happen to Chrome, if it's going to be sold off - is it becomes a "public utility" and basically is a model for actually publicly stewarded open development. Like maybe what the Mozilla Foundation should have been, like what many actual C-based open source OS projects…

> I'm okay with Windows being owned by Microsoft which is (was) basically the same thing in a way Windows is much worse by most metrics. I can't fork Windowsium and build (and sell) my own fully-compatible, 99.999999% R&D paid for by Microsoft, OS. > This is all probably too vague and unspecified for you lot...but it is just an idea It is a bit vague :) In that: who pays for it? Who decides what features are in or ou…

I think the control should be in the hands of the public. Stewarded by a public organization with government funds. What do you think?

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by GuB-42 »

delduca wrote: post #10
lifeinthevoid wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switch to Firefox!

https://adguard.com/en/blog/mozilla-deletes-promise-to-never...

Maybe but it doesn't affect the ad-blocking abilities of Firefox and uBlock Origin. It is a legal document, not a technical document.

If you want to go with ethics and trust, I am not particular fond of Brave practice of replacing ads for some shady cryptocurrency (BAT). You don't have to do that, you can just use it as an adblocking browser, but if you don't care about these things, the news of Firefox updating some privacy policy shouldn't affect you too much either.

Anyways, both Firefox and Brave/Chromium are open source, you can see what data is being sent out, and there are forks.

And to make things clear, I am not really a fan of Mozilla direction, I just switched because Firefox became better and Chrome worse in the last years.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by CivBase »

delduca wrote: post #10
lifeinthevoid wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switch to Firefox!

https://adguard.com/en/blog/mozilla-deletes-promise-to-never...

The point of switching to Firefox is not "Google bad, Mozilla good". The point is to chip away at the chromium browser monopoly. If you have another non-chromium browser to recommend, please share as an alternative.

Mozilla has not proven themselves to be trustworthy, but I think most would still consider them to be less untrustworthy than Google. Firefox offers similar levels of support, feature parity, and performance to Chrome, which makes it an easy alternative to recommend. There are certainly other non-chromium options worth considering, but Firefox is still by far the most accessible.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by OptionOfT »

lifeinthevoid wrote: post #5
cagenut wrote: post #3

good. ublock origin finally stopped working for me two days ago and for the first time in like 20 f'n years I got a popup yesterday.

Switch to Firefox!

Firefox on iOS has no built-in adblocker making it a no-go. And I need sync between platforms.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by dlcarrier »

Last time the DOJ declared a web browser monopoly, they lost the case on appeal, then the web browser does on its own.

The problem isn't within Google. They aren't doing anything substantial to lock users into Chrome. The problem is unforced errors on the part of both Apple and Mozilla creating awful web browsers that aren't worth using.

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