I saw someone claiming drones are the biggest military invention since the stirrup! The US would do well to start catching up on that technology. BTW, I assume that when/if the Ukraine war ends, the Ukrainian drone industry will be the best in the world.
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> And they (China) are explicitly interested in overturning the global order. - Putin is actively taking Ukrainian territory by force - Trump is threatening to take Greenland, Canada and the Panama canal by (economic) force - Xi Jinping is threatening to take Taiwanese territory by force Of all three, Jinping seems like the smallest threat to the "world order". If you're talking about economic power, that's a differe…
Putin is in a hot war right now. Xi seems to be actively preparing for one. The chance of the US sitting aside a military invasion of Taiwan seems very low to me.
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It's not Russia's aircraft carriers I'm concerned about. Russia's experience with drones vs. her guided missile cruisers has more than enough there to translate to more capable aircraft carriers.
If I remember rightly, one of the successful attacks was a floating "drone" made of a small boat packed with explosives. Kind of a hybrid between the torpedo and the fireship, and quite hard to defend against at night. China has (checks wikipedia) three operational carriers, one very modern Fujian , the obsolete former training ship Liaoning , and Shandong , which appears to be halfway between the two, the first loca…
And would have absolutely no way to reach that scale again. Or the equivalent in drone production, which is why it’s absolutely preposterous to take a hostile attitude towards our closest neighbors and trade and potentially put our geographical advantages at risk.
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#44It's shocking to me the Secretary of Defense confirmation hearing only mentioned "drone" once, and that was not in reference to the future of warfare. Ukraine has made pretty clear that drones will play a huge roll in future major conflicts. It's crazy that we haven't already shifted major portions of the defense budget from legacy weapons systems (e.g. tanks) to drones.
My genuine hope is that secretly we actually are really good with drones and just strategically have decided not to broadcast it, but I don't think that's the way forward. It needs to be known that we've absolutely mastered them.
You know, kind of like the Chinese have done with their drone shows at the Olympics and similar events.
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#45That seems way off. See the recent euromaidanpress headline:
>Defense News: Ukraine plans 15-km unmanned “kill zone” along Russian front as drone production hits 4,000+ daily https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/03/02/defense-news-ukraine-...
Which is kind of interesting strategically. I was thinking Ukraine can't really afford to keep losing large numbers of soldiers and will probably try switching to drones to hold the Russians back. It's probably a technology that favours defenders over attackers as the defenders can work from hidden bunkers but the attackers have to move above ground.
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> And they (China) are explicitly interested in overturning the global order. - Putin is actively taking Ukrainian territory by force - Trump is threatening to take Greenland, Canada and the Panama canal by (economic) force - Xi Jinping is threatening to take Taiwanese territory by force Of all three, Jinping seems like the smallest threat to the "world order". If you're talking about economic power, that's a differe…
Nobody takes Trump's comments seriously. Possibly not even Trump. Putin is in a hot war right now. Xi seems to be actively preparing for one. The chance of the US sitting aside a military invasion of Taiwan seems very low to me.
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#47It's shocking to me the Secretary of Defense confirmation hearing only mentioned "drone" once, and that was not in reference to the future of warfare. Ukraine has made pretty clear that drones will play a huge roll in future major conflicts. It's crazy that we haven't already shifted major portions of the defense budget from legacy weapons systems (e.g. tanks) to drones.
Yep. It boggles my mind that we still do aircraft flyovers at big football games. Those should be drones doing coordinated light shows--even in heavy winds, rain, and unfavorable conditions. Just to show that we've mastered it, and that we can do it easily even when there are no stakes. My genuine hope is that secretly we actually are really good with drones and just strategically have decided not to broadcast it, bu…
What would you call the Reapers and such? The US has a massive fleet of large, armed drones, remotely operated, and quite a few are capable of being armed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicles_in_th...
It's different from the consumer/small commercial drones being talked about here, but the US Military is pretty darn good at UAVs.
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#48>But look, Ukraine are producing two-and-a-half drones a day now. That seems way off. See the recent euromaidanpress headline: >Defense News: Ukraine plans 15-km unmanned “kill zone” along Russian front as drone production hits 4,000+ daily https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/03/02/defense-news-ukraine-... Which is kind of interesting strategically. I was thinking Ukraine can't really afford to keep losing large numbers…
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#49>But look, Ukraine are producing two-and-a-half drones a day now. That seems way off. See the recent euromaidanpress headline: >Defense News: Ukraine plans 15-km unmanned “kill zone” along Russian front as drone production hits 4,000+ daily https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/03/02/defense-news-ukraine-... Which is kind of interesting strategically. I was thinking Ukraine can't really afford to keep losing large numbers…
It’s not being talked about much outside of military analyst circles but those small drones have significantly changed the logistics of modern warfare possibly more than anything in the 21st century. Before, with cover and conceal warfare, armies had to deliver massive firepower to even have a chance of hitting an enemy unit from a another dynamic military, with ever more expensive precision munitions to make up for…
Would note that Russia’s failure to execute combined-arms manoeuvre-based warfare technically makes it a static fighting force.
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#50I saw someone claiming drones are the biggest military invention since the stirrup! The US would do well to start catching up on that technology. BTW, I assume that when/if the Ukraine war ends, the Ukrainian drone industry will be the best in the world.
I’m just baffled how Russia switched the frontline using fiber drones. It’s genius and worrisome at the same time.