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Re: Do you have a secret?

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It's really annoying when all these people complaining about bills like CISPA and other potentially dangerous bills don't actually mention why the bills are bad. Even the Wikipedia article on CISPA was horrible since it didn't directly quote the bill but just quoted others people paraphrasing the bill. So what in particular is bad about this bill? http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s2105/text

>Even the Wikipedia article on CISPA was horrible since it didn't directly quote the bill but just quoted others people paraphrasing the bill. Direct quoting of something to prove something is "original research", then it's violation of Wikipedia's rules. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research

Directly quoting the law and citing the source of the law would not be "original research" in the context of your link. To quote your link:

  The term "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia
  to refer to material--such as facts, allegations, and
  ideas--for which no reliable, published sources exist.
For example, the Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_S... includes the text of the US Constitution's 1st Amendment. By your interpretation that would make it original research.

Directly quoting a bill, citing the house.gov or whichever source, provides context for the ensuing discussion (pros and cons) which in turn should consist of a set of citations.

Re: Do you have a secret?

#43

Makes me consider that ObamaCare compels everyone to give the government their medical records. Yeah, I'd consider those secrets subject to 4th Amendment protection.

Don't believe everything Glenn Beck tells you.

Re: Do you have a secret?

#44

Makes me consider that ObamaCare compels everyone to give the government their medical records. Yeah, I'd consider those secrets subject to 4th Amendment protection.

This is flatly not true. The Affordable Care Act includes provisions to encourage - not compel - doctors to use electronic medical records; I really don't think this is such a ridiculous thing, and as someone who's work on medical data before I really think it's becoming more and more necessary to keep costs down. Here's a citation from someone who is concerned about security but who explains correctly that the Affordable Care Act in no way forces anyone to hand over medical records to "the government" :

http://claireshealthlawblog.wordpress.com/2011/09/13/electro...

Re: Do you have a secret?

#45
post #20

I fail to see the link between the title plus domain of this site and opposing CISPA. I do not think I could even call it link bait. They may as well have called it, "doyoulovebluewhales.org"... Also, the soundtrack ruins its factual/informative presentation value and use of scripting for such a light site makes it feel unprofessional and insecure. Some of the content and flow of information is good though. But overa…

Very good remark, just have nothing to add more.

Re: Do you have a secret?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are good reasons to oppose CISPA. You shouldn't appreciate people trying to manipulate you into opposing it. This is something that really annoys me. It's incredibly frustrating to see people argue "on my side", but using reasons that are based almost entirely on FUD and hyperbole. It undermines that entire side of the argument, because people who aren't already on your side assume that if you had valid reasons…

Agreed, yet it's also frustrating to live in a world where deceptive and emotional manipulation works because most people aren't that good at recognizing it and counteracting it. Do you just gnash your teeth and stick to your moral high ground while everything burns? Or do you "play the game", and use manipulation to achieve the moral good? Personally, I think I tend to do the former. When I get the relatives' chain…

Sometimes you can correct the ignorance, sometime you best ignore it.

But in the end even Starfleet had Section 35. The world is dirty and sometimes it is better to play dirty than to lose.

I am not sure if this is one of those times though.

Re: Do you have a secret?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, while the sticklers insist on moral purity and perfect argument, they live in a world that operates on FUD and is grotesquely exploited and has become the modus operandi of our government, corporations, and fear mongering right. It is the reason that science and reason cannot take hold in many human societies, because there is a false equivalency of opposition. Opposing heinous attempts to control are…

That's nice rhetoric, but when you disregard the truth in order to keep up in the arms race of lies that you claim the other side started, you become as reprehensible as them.

As responsible for what though? As responsibly for lying? Yes.

In the end you have to be able to say 'I am right on this subject, and they are wrong' and act accordingly.

And when the fight is over there is zero point for being virtuous.

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