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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by pell »

duxup wrote: post #27

> In a fireworks-filled public confrontation unlike any seen between an American president and foreign leader in modern times, Mr. Trump and Mr. Vance castigated Mr. Zelensky for not being grateful enough for U.S. support in its war with Russia and sought to strong-arm him into making a peace deal on whatever terms the Americans dictate. Jebus, how do you screw up a photo op? Buch of children in the US executive bran…

>Buch of children in the US executive branch.

The intended audience is eating this up. If you go to conservative spaces, NATO now is considered a rip off, the EU was apparently designed to hurt the US, Zelensky is a dictator, etc.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by minimaxir »

legitster wrote: post #36

If you watch the video of the exchange, it was a complete setup. Zelensky was being very diplomatic when they started attacking him. Vance literally said he didn't need to visit Ukraine to see for himself because he "had seen videos". Zelensky was brought here specifically to be publicly humiliated on live TV. In 80 years, if we still have history books, this moment will be in them.

The theory is that the only reason Vance was present was to be able to double-team Zelenskyy.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by goatlover »

Utterly shameful. Do conservatives even remember when Russia was the enemy and Europe was our ally? Do you know what kind of leader Putin is? Is that what you want Trump to become? Do you no longer believe in NATO? What has become of the party of Reagan and Bush? Will you betray everything you used to claim you believed in?

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by SlightlyLeftPad »

a13n wrote: post #18

I wish HN allowed threads like this to hit the front page... The world is changing pretty quickly, and stuff like this does have implications on war, business, technology that's I think is worth discussing here.

Aannd… it’s flagged. Yeah I agree, the discussion here has been pretty clean and reasonable so I don’t understand why this gets shot down. I do understand that politics doesn’t really belong here but changes like this absolutely have follow on effects on business and technology and deserve room for discussion.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by lun4r »

If I were American, I’d be sick with shame. As a European, I’m disgusted—not just by your leadership, but by your silence.

Your country is spiraling into disgrace, yet you sit there, watching, complaining online, doing nothing. Where is your outrage? Where are the millions in the streets forcing change? By staying silent, you are complicit. Just like the Russians who let Putin tighten his grip for decades, you are letting a clown dismantle your democracy in real time.

History won’t just judge you—it will condemn you. Stand up, or accept your place among the cowards who let their nations rot.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by duxup »

lun4r wrote: post #47

If I were American, I’d be sick with shame. As a European, I’m disgusted—not just by your leadership, but by your silence. Your country is spiraling into disgrace, yet you sit there, watching, complaining online, doing nothing. Where is your outrage? Where are the millions in the streets forcing change? By staying silent, you are complicit. Just like the Russians who let Putin tighten his grip for decades, you are le…

>but by your silence

What qualifies as not that? I've said my peace, my ability to deploy millions is limited.

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