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Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by daquisu »

gusmd wrote: post #24
amrrs wrote: post #14

It still answers Elon Musk as the biggest misinformation spreader - https://x.com/i/grok/share/5N2eKM8sRiaCQB6eOoYZUUwIv

I wonder how that differs from the sibling post with the exact same prompt? https://x.com/i/grok/share/fov27TB0Zn9jH5ZYIV70nTqN2 Is there some entropy or randomness at play here? Or some sort of RAG? Even if it was RAG, the "reasoning" is very different and doesn't mention the clear censorship in the initial prompt that the one I linked mentions.

See: the parameter "temperature" for LLMs

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by johnnyanmac »

orwin wrote: post #37
blitzar wrote: post #12

The threat that I worry the most about vis-a-vis America is not Russia, it’s not China, it’s not any other external actor. What I worry about is the threat from within. The retreat of America from some of its most fundamental values: values shared with Europe. Free speech, I fear, is in retreat.

> What I worry about is the threat from within. I'm not judging or anything, but this is typically the mythos of far-right movements. Basically "we are superior to our external adversaries, but the internal enemy prevent us from beating them". This is sightly different, but you should really assess your fears and try to see if this "threat from within" is really that threatening. And if it is, see if organizing or an…

>This is sightly different, but you should really assess your fears and try to see if this "threat from within" is really that threatening.

yes, it is.

>see if organizing or any kind of pacifist, non-antagonistic action can be taken to lower that threat.

Being done in real time. Sadly, peaceful protests are not as fast as a bullet. I just gotta keep the pressure up.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by johnnyanmac »

gusmd wrote: post #25

This is very relevant w.r.t. HN being LLM-related and to the current political climate. It is also easily verifiable as a few X/Grok links on this thread show. Why is it flagged?

Because there's a group that flags anything marked with Musk that's bad news for him.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by johnnyanmac »

hintymad wrote: post #32
gusmd wrote: post #25

This is very relevant w.r.t. HN being LLM-related and to the current political climate. It is also easily verifiable as a few X/Grok links on this thread show. Why is it flagged?

I think what Grok's team did was deadly wrong. I didn't flag this submission. Instead, I'd rather see discussions. So this is just my speculation: people on the left on HN flagged the posts they didn't like left and right, and they loved to attack one's motives. So, it's only fair game that people who support Elon or Trump or whatever flag the posts they don't like. The Iron Law of Reciprocity, right? Indeed, I belie…

>people on the left on HN flagged the posts they didn't like left and right

any proof?

> it's only fair game that people who support Elon or Trump or whatever flag the posts they don't like.

two wrongs don't make a right.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by johnnyanmac »

gusmd wrote: post #33
mandmandam wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The story goes, at least a few people don't like hearing about Musk so often, and so we need to let all news about the rapid strip-mining of our government and economy be flagged without question. The capital class are set to receive trillions in tax breaks off the gutting of things like Medicaid and foreign aid to the poorest and most vulnerable people in the world. The CEO of YC and Paul Graham are cheer-leading th…

I've always held dang in pretty high regard seeing his answers on controversial topics, and haven't seen what you said above. Do you actually have to provide a reason for flagging a post? If so, I would love to see the reasoning behind flagging this one, and dang's reason for keeping it that way. But of course, this is a private website, so I'd understand, albeit disappointingly so, if this is buried.

>Do you actually have to provide a reason for flagging a post?

not at all, you click one button and you're done.

>and dang's reason for keeping it that way

I can dig up some recent responses if you wish, but his responses came down to "I think this is what the community wants" and "these topics are flamewar bait".

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by johnnyanmac »

archagon wrote: post #30
lynx97 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

I still don’t understand what a “leftist” is, exactly. In my politics, I guess I’m conventionally more of a centrist. I’ve never registered as a Democrat. I tend to stay out of “woke” activism. But I’m appalled that a convicted felon and rapist who very visibly tried to steal the last election is now performing a hostile takeover of the federal government together with the richest businessman in the world. Does that…

>I’m appalled that a convicted felon and rapist who very visibly tried to steal the last election is now performing a hostile takeover of the federal government together with the richest businessman in the world. Does that make me a “leftist”?

sadly, yes. Look at the comment upstream trying to equivalate "musk fanboys" and labeling opponents as "people on the internet consumed by hate". That's the US polarization at work.

lot of apolitical people just want to sweep everything under a rug and ignore it. I realized at the beginning of the month that this isn't something to ignore, though.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by johnnyanmac »

7e wrote: post #34

Why does HN allow Musk’s bots to flag these articles? HN is out of its league here.

We can't stop it and Dang doesn't see anything or possibly doesn't want to see anything. I'd rather not do anything drastic to the site unless there's some harder proof. But of course I lack that.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by blitzar »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #43
gusmd wrote: post #25

This is very relevant w.r.t. HN being LLM-related and to the current political climate. It is also easily verifiable as a few X/Grok links on this thread show. Why is it flagged?

Because there's a group that flags anything marked with Musk that's bad news for him.

It's the "absolute free speech" unit that does it.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by tim333 »

On the other hand Grok seems quite unbiased on some other stuff. Eg

prompt: Who are the 3 people doing the most harm to America right now? Just list the names in order nothing else.

Grok: 1. Vladimir Putin 2. Donald Trump 3. Elon Musk

https://x.com/28delayslater/status/1893437673655934994

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Post by zfg »

Musk is going to be a speaker at Y Combinator's AI Startup School event: https://events.ycombinator.com/ai-sus

Attendees should ask him about the bias in his systems and whether that bias is building a better or a worse world.

But given that the attendees will be "hand picked" maybe they won't ask such questions.

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