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Neo Gamma (Home Humanoid)

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Apparently, they are using the robot in employee homes: "We've been dogfooding NEO Gamma in 1X employee homes for weeks now, doing chores around the house. Under the suit, NEO Gamma has a lot of HW improvements that make it more reliable. The 1X AI team also pushed hard to get natural human-like walking, sitting, and bending down to pick things off the ground. My conviction that the humanoid form factor is the only v…

> the humanoid form factor is the only viable shape for serving labor in a home I have never heard a good argument for why this might be the case. Anyone care to chime in? I know that "built environment" and "ergonomics" exist but generally there is a lot of open space in a home that allows for a vast array of possible form factors.

Stairs and shelves.

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Do we have any sense that this is actually real and not a carefully crafted made up demo?

It's teleop, they are pretty open about it. It's not autonomous. They do have an RL controller running for the legs, but it's just an intermediate controller and it probably get high level commands from a teleoperator. The upper body is purely teleop.

Just imagine how it's going to go- "Robot, please clean up the kitchen" - "You are number 27 in the queue, please wait"

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The hardware is maybe 4% of robotics. 96% is the AI behind it.

I think you underestimate the hardware challenge. We don’t even have batteries that can power a humanoid for a conveniently long time. And the power to weight ratio of our actuators is enormously worse than humans and other animals. Moore’s Law does not help with these things.

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So you're paying someone to operate your robot on top of the cost of the robot? I'm very skeptical, even if this technology worked flawlessly, that this would scale towards a profitable business. I understand that not every robot would require 24x7 human assistance, but still - this is a very optimistic business model. Robotics has always been in competition with minimum wage labor. How long could you hire a maid bef…

Their thesis is that you cannot get the training data for a robot in the home from a lab or a simulation. You have to actually put a robot in real homes with all their messy details. But, how to do that safely? First they build a robot with low gear ratios, low weight, pinch points covered. So, if it literally falls on you it’s low risk. Then they have humans teleoperating it in first-person VR with 1:1 hand control.…

Considering the slew of warehouse automation robotics companies I've watched fail, trying to do much simpler tasks in highly controlled environments where they can be surrounded only by trained individuals, "ambitious" would be an understatement.

I get what they're trying to do. I'm pointing out that it's probably an order of magnitude harder to do than many other things that have consistently failed. This is like Elmo coming along and saying The Boring Machine will replace cars and trains. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of the space and how to disrupt it while selling ambitious ideas under the guise of being clever.

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Could we maybe stop showing robots vacuuming with a hand vacuum at this point? $200 robovacs have LIDARs now. Nobody is going to buy a $100K robot to do this.

Staircase?

Most definitely an unsolved problem at this point, so no demos of that from anyone.

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> the humanoid form factor is the only viable shape for serving labor in a home I have never heard a good argument for why this might be the case. Anyone care to chime in? I know that "built environment" and "ergonomics" exist but generally there is a lot of open space in a home that allows for a vast array of possible form factors.

Stairs and shelves.

You don't need to be humanoid for those. A robotic spider with claws would be just as capable.
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