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Anyone have an idea why the matrix.org bridges are so expensive to run? e.g. t2bot.io also runs Matrix bridges and the costs are only about $1.5k/mo [0], not $100k [0]: https://t2bot.io/donations/
Anyone have an idea why the matrix.org bridges are so expensive to run? e.g. t2bot.io also runs Matrix bridges and the costs are only about $1.5k/mo [0], not $100k [0]: https://t2bot.io/donations/
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We've had this with XMPP already.
yes and XMPP is actually a messaging protocol. Matrix is an eventually consistent database with a crappy messaging app implemented on top, and because of the insane architecture they are justifying decisions like message ordering that is non-deterministic[0] -- for multi user chat! What could possibly go wrong if users in a multi user chat see messages in different orders? This decision is a perfect example of how sm…
Or look at how until a few months ago, the media store of every homeserver served media on the internet without any authentication. Someone just had to post CP in a popular room and they'd get hundreds of servers rehosting it for free. (Recently they finally added the ability to require authentication for the media store, although they didn't add support for it to their web client, only their new Android one.)
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We've had this with XMPP already.
Oh, but people don't like XML. XML means xmpp is awful apparently. I feel pretty alone in having a bad experience with matrix, but a good one with xmpp+omemo.
I have had only bad experience with its federation and chat clients over many years, I don't think it can improve, if it could, they probably would have fixed it a long time ago. Maybe not a popular opinion, but they should let the Matrix die altogether so something better can replace it.
IETF standard, massivelly used (video-games https://xmpp.org/uses/gaming/, IM https://xmpp.org/uses/instant-messaging/, social...), modern features, managed by a fundation with a good ecosystem and plenty of alive projects: https://xmpp.org/software/ .
Yes its not perfect, yes there's still things to improve, but the clients are there, working, on many platforms. The server-S (yes several of them!) as well, they can scale, they can adapt to many use cases.
Matrix did a few things better than XMPP (the Spaces/Servers things, that XMPP is still figuring out), but for most of the rest... well.
Oh and there's also many bridges on XMPP, maintained by different projects, and they don't need 100K$ to stay alive :)
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That’s not what’s happening. The point is that running and maintaining bridges requires $, and without $ that won’t happen.
The problem on financials is underfunding.
edit: If you’re interested in how we’ve ended up there: https://fosdem.org/2025/events/attachments/fosdem-2025-6274-...
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Oh, but people don't like XML. XML means xmpp is awful apparently. I feel pretty alone in having a bad experience with matrix, but a good one with xmpp+omemo.
I found XMPP an absolute delight to work with and built all kinds of command-and-control messaging utils with it that allowed me the flexibility to use it as a chat service and RPC broker all at the same time, with bots as APIs. It was nuts but brilliant. Bring it back, I say.
why are there two irc briges?
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> I'm shocked that Matrix Foundation is considering shutting down if they don't raise $100K - what's going on behind the scenes here? That’s not what’s happening. The point is that running and maintaining bridges requires $, and without $ that won’t happen. The problem on financials is underfunding. edit: If you’re interested in how we’ve ended up there: https://fosdem.org/2025/events/attachments/fosdem-2025-6274-...
Anyone have an idea why the matrix.org bridges are so expensive to run? e.g. t2bot.io also runs Matrix bridges and the costs are only about $1.5k/mo [0], not $100k [0]: https://t2bot.io/donations/
t2bot's costs look like infrastructure and operation costs, not development and maintenance.
Disclaimer: I'm Aine of etke.cc, we offer managed Matrix servers with numerous different components, including bridges. Some of the components (like Postmoogle - email bridge) are developed and maintained by our team.