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Doge Teen with Cybercrime Connections Now Inside Cybersecurity Agency CISA

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Re: Doge Teen with Cybercrime Connections Now Inside Cybersecurity Agency CISA

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Post by Volundr »

keepamovin wrote: post #7
nobankai wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Democracy not good enough fer ya? I'll explain: Because Elon was appointed by Trump who was appointed by the will of the American taxpayer? It should be commutative.

I don't understand why people think this means he should be given unilateral goodwill and authority. Honestly I don't think any of the people saying it really believes that. If they did, the same logic would apply to Biden and Obama and anyone questioning them would be questioning democracy. Yet somehow this 'will of the people so it must be good' only showed up when Trump was elected.

Re: Doge Teen with Cybercrime Connections Now Inside Cybersecurity Agency CISA

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Post by nunez »

dashundchen wrote: post #32
FlamingMoe wrote: post #13

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One good reason? Look at the financial state of the country. We’ve been running trillion-dollar deficits, ballooning debt, and unsustainable spending for years. If Musk’s appointees are doing the opposite of what got us here—cutting waste, streamlining bureaucracy, and questioning sacred cows—that’s at least some indication they might be acting in taxpayers’ interests. The real question isn’t why assume they are—it’s…

Again, this is so easily disproven. How are you buying this at all? Musk and Trump are not concerned about debt or spending. If they were, Trump and Republicans wouldn't be rushing a billionaire tax cut bill that will add tens of trillions of dollars to the national debt. If Trump cared about debt he wouldn't have run up $8 trillion in debt his last term with PPP helicopter money and more billionaire tax cuts.

Or proposing a bill to add Trump to Mount Rushmore.

Or proposing to create a PIF-like Sovereign Wealth Fund while gutting USAID, an organization with approved budget for many many years that actually provides assistance efforts globally.

Or proposing to invest $500B on AI development, which, coincidentally, just so happens to be the amount Sam Altman asked for to develop Stargate.

Re: Doge Teen with Cybercrime Connections Now Inside Cybersecurity Agency CISA

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Post by keepamovin »

eightysixfour wrote: post #19
keepamovin wrote: post #2

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https://krebsonsecurity.com/2025/02/teen-on-musks-doge-team-... The details are quite clear.

Can you point to some? What I saw was tenuous at best. He was chatting with people in The Com. So...?

Re: Doge Teen with Cybercrime Connections Now Inside Cybersecurity Agency CISA

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Post by keepamovin »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #18
keepamovin wrote: post #2

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That's not what's going on here. This was discussed at length on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42981756

Not sure the thread concludes what you think it does: top comment is basically a shrug this is normal.

Re: Doge Teen with Cybercrime Connections Now Inside Cybersecurity Agency CISA

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Post by nunez »

I'm more concerned about lesser-known DOGE staffers taking huge paydays for sharing some "there's no way this is really classified" classified information and getting away with it.

Shenanigans like that usually land you in jail for 20+ years, but this is a presidential committee, so it's totally different.

Re: Doge Teen with Cybercrime Connections Now Inside Cybersecurity Agency CISA

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Post by keepamovin »

nobankai wrote: post #31
lostmsu wrote: post #24

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> archipelago of Discord and Telegram chat channels > He's not innocent. Are you for real?

The recent KrebsOnSecurity goes into why this is no joke. These are cybercriminals trading in fraud, pig butchering, illegal pornography and swatting attempts.

Isn't he just chatting on there? Can you point to something in the article that's conclusive? Seems like desperate reaching.

Re: Doge Teen with Cybercrime Connections Now Inside Cybersecurity Agency CISA

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Post by keepamovin »

Volundr wrote: post #41
keepamovin wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Democracy not good enough fer ya? I'll explain: Because Elon was appointed by Trump who was appointed by the will of the American taxpayer? It should be commutative.

I don't understand why people think this means he should be given unilateral goodwill and authority. Honestly I don't think any of the people saying it really believes that. If they did, the same logic would apply to Biden and Obama and anyone questioning them would be questioning democracy. Yet somehow this 'will of the people so it must be good' only showed up when Trump was elected.

Is he given that tho? Delegation is not infinite indulgence

Re: Doge Teen with Cybercrime Connections Now Inside Cybersecurity Agency CISA

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Post by benatkin »

keepamovin wrote: post #37
benatkin wrote: post #30

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He's either grey hat or deny hat ...the allow hat ship sailed.

I don't get your joke, but thanks! Heh :)

You said whiter than white when I just gave a link to the page about grey hat hackers, not endorsing the name grey hat, so I said allow hat instead of white hat and deny hat instead if allow hat to mirror allowlist/denylist in place of whitelist/blacklist.

Re: Doge Teen with Cybercrime Connections Now Inside Cybersecurity Agency CISA

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Post by woodruffw »

evanjrowley wrote: post #29
woodruffw wrote: post #16

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> The presumption of innocence should direct opinion, not implication, but the links should be noted. The standard in civil service is historically and conventionally "beyond even the appearance of impropriety," not "presumption of innocence." I think the person in question falls well below that standard.

There's been a long-standing exception for hackers going back to the '90s, although this has changed in recent years because the cyber security field has become saturated. While at the DOJ under Janet Reno, my uncle bypassed all of that just to have random hackers from Black Hat pen-test USCIS. They even got arrested and let out of jail following a successful attempt to print a greencard for "Mr. Kan G. Roo" - Some e…

The fact that hackers have been productive civil servants doesn't really change the standard. To make it explicit: there is no obvious mitigating qualification in this case.

Re: Doge Teen with Cybercrime Connections Now Inside Cybersecurity Agency CISA

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Post by Volundr »

keepamovin wrote: post #47
Volundr wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why people think this means he should be given unilateral goodwill and authority. Honestly I don't think any of the people saying it really believes that. If they did, the same logic would apply to Biden and Obama and anyone questioning them would be questioning democracy. Yet somehow this 'will of the people so it must be good' only showed up when Trump was elected.

Is he given that tho? Delegation is not infinite indulgence

Bypassing the normal security procedures to ram a random person with a very shady background into our security apparatus seems like quite a lot of indulgence to me. I definitely don't believe Obama would have been granted the same.
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