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Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

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Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#41

Genuinely disgusted to read any of that. All they can think of is ads, AI, and "fundraising campaigns" (which I presume will be more popup garbage)? This has pushed me to move to librewolf

Posting from librewolf. Easier than I thought. Anyone else on the fence come join me.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. There is no such thing as privacy-respecting advertising. If they mess with extensions like Chrome did, they're going to lose their user base. A much higher proportion of us are only using Firefox because it's not connected to AdTech.

> There is no such thing as privacy-respecting advertising. Sure there is; print ads are fine, and nothing prevents that style being used on the web (in fact, I'm aware of a local paper that does do that). It's just that advertisers really want to spy on users, so they pretty much always do.

I don't want the advertisers who are spying on us to get a second chance to reconsider a more ethical way of doing business. I want their industry driven into the ground and destroyed for the crimes they've already committed. Only after that happens can we can talk about privacy-respecting advertising being possible.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#43
post #13

> While Firefox remains the core of what we do, we also need to take steps to diversify: investing in privacy-respecting advertising to grow new revenue in the near term; developing trustworthy, open source AI to ensure technical and product relevance in the mid term; and creating online fundraising campaigns that will draw a bigger circle of supporters over the long run Not focusing on Firefox is what brought it to…

Mozilla really is in a bad spot if advertising, AI, and fundraising are the only innovative ideas their leadership could come up with. I will begrudgingly still use Firefox as my daily driver, but the mismanagement being shown is really appalling and I worry about the future of a free and open Internet. Suffice to say that we all deserve better.

The internet and browsers are a public good, no society functions without. As the US has transitioned into a kleptocracy, it would be even more logical for the EU to financially support teams developing important open source projects. Same thing for Linux and Libre Office perhaps.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#44
post #39

Let. Me. Pay. For. Firefox. I pay for other services online. I pay for VPN, for ElementaryOS, for Fastmail. Paying is fine. I pay, you give me a service that does not spy on me. It is not that hard.

Have you ever donated? What services do you want that shouldn't be available to non-paying users.

> Have you ever donated?

To Mozilla? No. Donations are not the same as paying for a specific product or service. I do not want to support their other adventures.

> What services do you want that shouldn't be available to non-paying users.

Librewolf, but by Mozilla.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

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post #39

Let. Me. Pay. For. Firefox. I pay for other services online. I pay for VPN, for ElementaryOS, for Fastmail. Paying is fine. I pay, you give me a service that does not spy on me. It is not that hard.

Have you ever donated? What services do you want that shouldn't be available to non-paying users.

Donating does not fund firefox. They "embezzle" it into funding all their other shit like internet censorship ("We need more than deplatforming" https://archive.li/U6aXc) Yes I did donate in the distant past.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#46

Let. Me. Pay. For. Firefox. I pay for other services online. I pay for VPN, for ElementaryOS, for Fastmail. Paying is fine. I pay, you give me a service that does not spy on me. It is not that hard.

And now I just learned about NextDNS. I'm going to pay for that. Back in the day, people were unwilling to pay for Netscape, and Mozilla was born. Today, the world has shifted again, and there are more than enough people with enough money willing to pay for software. And again, Netscape^WMozilla is late to grok this.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#47
post #18

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If the CEO made $0, what would the impact on Mozilla’s balance sheet be? Hint: not significant

Probably not very significant, though it's always frustrating when you read about mass layoffs at these corporations, only to see that the executives are all still getting raises and bonuses.

Emotional frustration yes totally understandable

But from a strictly business standpoint, it’s a bit of an absurd position

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

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post #36
post #32

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The CEO receiving a salary that was agreed upon through negotiation is very different from shoplifting and I hope that you can see that and come up with a better analogy.

It's different, I don't think they're claiming that it's directly equivalent, but they were responding to the claim that "7 million isn't significant in the grand scheme of things", and they're arguing that "just because it might not be a significant number doesn't necessarily mean we just let it slide". I don't think anyone is accusing the Mozilla CEO of "stealing" the money.

Any company looking to hire a CEO will have to pay market rates. Those market rates are not make-or-break expenses for the vast majority of companies

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not very significant, though it's always frustrating when you read about mass layoffs at these corporations, only to see that the executives are all still getting raises and bonuses.

Emotional frustration yes totally understandable But from a strictly business standpoint, it’s a bit of an absurd position

Business used to consider it equally important that employees, customers and shareholders were all happy. Frankly, it is easy to see that on the level of an entire economy, unless all 3 are happy, disasters are unavoidable.

But now every company thinks they can force everything on customers (idiotic ideas like "self-care"), the government, or even just the environment, usually doing enormous damage for 1/100th of that damage in gains.

At least we can rest assured of one thing: this trend WILL end. Through rational thinking? Through tears? Through violence? Through total catastrophe? That's the question. But end it will. Guaranteed.

Re: Growing Mozilla – and evolving our leadership

#50
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the store clerk took home some of the supplies, what would the impact on the company's balance sheet be? Not significant but she'd be setting the wrong example by doing so. If the CEO of a non-profit insists on "pay equity" with her for-profit equivalents she should look for a job in a for-profit, not leach dry the non-profit. Enough of the bullshit with overpaid and underperforming Mozilla CEOs, time for a real c…

The CEO receiving a salary that was agreed upon through negotiation is very different from shoplifting and I hope that you can see that and come up with a better analogy.

I think you will find that CEOs either have a significant share of the company, or are the lackeys of someone who does. In other words the only "negotiation" they did was negotiating with themselves.
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