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India's Tata Consultancy Was Gaming the US Visa System
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has been going on for decades and everyone in the industry knows it. Articles like these are simply propaganda to make it seem like something‘s being done about the issue. The system is and has been completely broken and, like most of the immigration policy in the US, it is a façade with the sole purpose of providing cheap labor for US corporations. There are plentiful capable US engineers available to be hired…
Corporations exploiting cheap labor is a bipartisan issue in the US. There doesn't seem to be any knobs that can be turned to go after corporations for exploiting cheap but legal immigrant labor. What can any administration do? "You didn't break the law, but we don't like you" isn't going to stand up in court. What the current administration is trying to do that WILL impact corporations is raise tariffs. This will ra…
Make companies pay 50% of the salary of someone on an H1B or other such work visa as an excise tax. You can spin this as reducing the debt and creating jobs for Americans. You'll see that practice dry up pretty quick.
Of course then they'll move more heavily to offshoring/remote, but at least then they're being honest that it was never about finding talent but suppressing wages.
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#43The easiest way to solve this is to salary rank the H1B applicants. Those with the highest salaries get picked; not the ‘lucky ones’ that get through a lottery, which puts a PhD from MIT and a new hire at Tata from a no name school in India on equal footing. And I say this as someone who was on H1B. The current system benefits no one but these visa mills. Edit: for grammar
this posts have the same ideas over and over. I've been hearing this particular "idea" for over 2 decades every few months on HN.
rebuttal to this is that, all the visas will get gobbled up by big tech in this scheme starving out startups, hospitals , chefs ect.
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#44Theres nothing new here. Everyone knows, when you join outsourcing orgs in India, the goal is to go on-site. There is lot of internal politics and toxicity to be in that position to go onsite. Recently, I have seen these orgs. do the same in europe. They are just bombarding the system with applications. What is the motivation you ask? For billable resource, rates are different for resource when they are on-site vs of…
This has been going on for decades and everyone in the industry knows it. Articles like these are simply propaganda to make it seem like something‘s being done about the issue. The system is and has been completely broken and, like most of the immigration policy in the US, it is a façade with the sole purpose of providing cheap labor for US corporations. There are plentiful capable US engineers available to be hired…
>Articles like these are simply propaganda to make it seem like something‘s being done about the issue.
What are you referring to? The post's article is about federal lawsuits filed by former TCS employees under the False Claims Act and the subsequent investigation into the practice of fraudulently abusing L-1A visas. A couple of the lawsuits were mentioned as being promptly dismissed, with one currently being appealed. The article is not portraying the state of affairs as if the issues in the system are being dealt with, but is showing that for the most part, nothing is currently being done to stop the abuse.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has been going on for decades and everyone in the industry knows it. Articles like these are simply propaganda to make it seem like something‘s being done about the issue. The system is and has been completely broken and, like most of the immigration policy in the US, it is a façade with the sole purpose of providing cheap labor for US corporations. There are plentiful capable US engineers available to be hired…
> plentiful capable I heard from a top executive at one of the FAANGs that they are only able to fill 40-50% of their workforce from local hiring. But, FAANG don't really hire the "visa mill" L1-A immigrants, it's usually H1-B folks that have a m.s/phd in some american university.
MS/PHD to do what? Almost all of those jobs are just basic programming positions updating websites, writing crud apps, internal tools, devops, cloud deployment, and other run of the mill typical programming tasks.
We all know the reality of these jobs requires very little (if any) of a masters or PhD level education.
Furthermore, FAANG is laying people off not hiring.
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#46TCS filed 5k H1B visa applications last year, compared to 9.5k by Amazon and 8k by Infosys. Not sure why specifically TCS is being targeted.
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#47So its not H1B its L1A that they gamed. Anyways, hardly the job strealing scheme its touted to be. You gotta renew it every year and should the employer fire you, you lose the visa. Not a win-win for the employee.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
> plentiful capable I heard from a top executive at one of the FAANGs that they are only able to fill 40-50% of their workforce from local hiring. But, FAANG don't really hire the "visa mill" L1-A immigrants, it's usually H1-B folks that have a m.s/phd in some american university.
With all of the profits they're bringing in they could certainly train up people like the old industrial titans of the mid-20th century.
They don't even need to go to that extreme. Probably a majority of their qualified applicants are screened out via their leetcode and high-stress interviews. They tell congress they can't find capable employees then tell applicants they only hire the best of the best.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
> plentiful capable I heard from a top executive at one of the FAANGs that they are only able to fill 40-50% of their workforce from local hiring. But, FAANG don't really hire the "visa mill" L1-A immigrants, it's usually H1-B folks that have a m.s/phd in some american university.
MS/PHD to do what? Almost all of those jobs are just basic programming positions updating websites, writing crud apps, internal tools, devops, cloud deployment, and other run of the mill typical programming tasks. We all know the reality of these jobs requires very little (if any) of a masters or PhD level education. Furthermore, FAANG is laying people off not hiring.
MS is done mainly to get access to the US job market. Of course some of them do use it to get into more sophisticated work.
Also, they're hiring in some divisions, firing in many divisions.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
> plentiful capable I heard from a top executive at one of the FAANGs that they are only able to fill 40-50% of their workforce from local hiring. But, FAANG don't really hire the "visa mill" L1-A immigrants, it's usually H1-B folks that have a m.s/phd in some american university.
With all of the profits they're bringing in they could certainly train up people like the old industrial titans of the mid-20th century.
Yeah that's true. But I'm not sure how the costs for that will work out at scale considering software is a high attrition industry with career advancements done mostly through lateral movement.