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"the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Post by dkarl »

gedy wrote: post #18
Nursie wrote: post #9

I enjoyed the year I consulted at JPMC, they have some sharp people, and on the surface of it, who am I to criticise the boss of such a successful company? OTOH… I can see the argument that young people aren’t being exposed to older peers the same way and their learning may be stunted. But… I haven’t set foot in an office for five years now and I’m as productive as I ever was. Possibly more. As for his “people are di…

> people are distracted during meetings It feels like he's just old and pining for days gone by - in person meetings have people staring at their laptops and phones too. I dislike that as well, but that's not a WFH issue.

> in person meetings have people staring at their laptops and phones too

I've worked at a variety of places with a variety of problems, but I've never seen that kind of rudeness be widespread or persistent. It was corrected in different ways depending on the company culture, but it was corrected.

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

#42

Post by dijksterhuis »

greesil wrote: post #39
dijksterhuis wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i sort of agree wit your sentiment, although probably would use more nuanced language about it. i’ve had this exact conversation with my 70+ still working father so many times now. i’ve heard the rant in the article over and over again. and, like, he blames remote work too. “its the fucking zoom bullshit”. but then i explain to him how i do remote work and suddenly gets it. like, remote working means you are required…

What I've noticed is that people don't seem to have the attention span to read the document or memo I wrote, and the meeting is so they can get the TL;DR.

oh god yeah these people do my head in. i haven’t found a good strategy for them yet.

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

#43

Post by drunkpotato »

ArthurStacks wrote: post #28
Nursie wrote: post #9

I enjoyed the year I consulted at JPMC, they have some sharp people, and on the surface of it, who am I to criticise the boss of such a successful company? OTOH… I can see the argument that young people aren’t being exposed to older peers the same way and their learning may be stunted. But… I haven’t set foot in an office for five years now and I’m as productive as I ever was. Possibly more. As for his “people are di…

I issued an ultimatum to staff in 2023 that they either return to the office or would be let go, and we saw a dramatic increase in productivity

To anyone else coming across this: this is a lie.

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

#44

Post by Swizec »

greesil wrote: post #39
dijksterhuis wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i sort of agree wit your sentiment, although probably would use more nuanced language about it. i’ve had this exact conversation with my 70+ still working father so many times now. i’ve heard the rant in the article over and over again. and, like, he blames remote work too. “its the fucking zoom bullshit”. but then i explain to him how i do remote work and suddenly gets it. like, remote working means you are required…

What I've noticed is that people don't seem to have the attention span to read the document or memo I wrote, and the meeting is so they can get the TL;DR.

If you can tldr your memo or message, maybe you should write a shorter memo or message.

People are busy. Nobody got time for waffle. Get to the point or get out of the way.

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Post by dijksterhuis »

spondylosaurus wrote: post #31
SoftTalker wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can see the argument that young people aren’t being exposed to older peers the same way and their learning may be stunted. I agree with this, but I didn't grow up with a phone in my hand. I didn't have a mobile phone until I was about 30 years old and I didn't have a smartphone until I was in my 40s. I can't work well with people over remote calls, I hate Zoom and desktop sharing, don't like slack or teams. I fin…

Counter-perspective, but largely in agreement: I did grow up with a mobile phone and instant messaging and whatnot, and so using Slack (and to some extent, Zoom, as much as I dislike video compared to text) feels very natural to me. To me, as someone who has deep and meaningful friendships with certain people mediated almost entirely through Discord messaging, which is basically non-work Slack, asynchronous mentorshi…

this is my story, growing up on MSN messenger and warezbb. simpler times, when my mum would shout at me for hogging the phone line.

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Post by zigglezaggle »

ArthurStacks wrote: post #28
Nursie wrote: post #9

I enjoyed the year I consulted at JPMC, they have some sharp people, and on the surface of it, who am I to criticise the boss of such a successful company? OTOH… I can see the argument that young people aren’t being exposed to older peers the same way and their learning may be stunted. But… I haven’t set foot in an office for five years now and I’m as productive as I ever was. Possibly more. As for his “people are di…

I issued an ultimatum to staff in 2023 that they either return to the office or would be let go, and we saw a dramatic increase in productivity

What is your model? That is, how did you measure this? Productivity and the impacts to it are highly multivariate and most analysis thus far has failed to do show convincing effects in either direction from remote work.

Genuinely, there is too much appeal to emotion from both sides of the argument and not enough substance, so if you have something here I'd be interested to read about it.

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Post by dijksterhuis »

drunkpotato wrote: post #43
ArthurStacks wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I issued an ultimatum to staff in 2023 that they either return to the office or would be let go, and we saw a dramatic increase in productivity

To anyone else coming across this: this is a lie.

their comment history is certainly… interesting.

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

#48

Post by gedy »

dkarl wrote: post #41
gedy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> people are distracted during meetings It feels like he's just old and pining for days gone by - in person meetings have people staring at their laptops and phones too. I dislike that as well, but that's not a WFH issue.

> in person meetings have people staring at their laptops and phones too I've worked at a variety of places with a variety of problems, but I've never seen that kind of rudeness be widespread or persistent. It was corrected in different ways depending on the company culture, but it was corrected.

I guess I'm unlucky, though the companies were full of young people which might be a factor

Re: "the Zooms don't show up" Jamie Dimon

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Post by mojomark »

Does anyone find it strange that this argument is always boolean?

(Child of the late 70's/early 80's here)

At my current and prior company everyone enjoys the freedom of adulthood. Of course there are massive productivity benefits to working in person at times. Of course there are massive benefits to working from home at times. Not productive in your current role? Move on or you will be moved on. Pretty straight forward.

What's so

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