Windows 10 is the IPV4 of operating systems.
I thought that was Windows XP?
I think the lineage of "good" MS releases is: Windows XP > Windows 7 > Windows 10
Although for me personally I would add Windows 2000.
Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
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Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#42Steam users are more likely to be on win 10 than others because they often spend more money on gaming rigs than people buying web browser machine. With the hardware requirements of win 11 (tpm, others) many gamers will not want to throw out their working machines to satisfy Microsoft's hardware demand.
Steam users are more likely to be on win 11 than others because they often spend more money on gaming rigs than people buying web browser machine. Many of them will want to throw out their working machines to satisfy Microsoft's demand and upgrade to latest hardware to get 300fps
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Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#43It's strange that they are ending Windows 10 support so soon after they stopped selling it. Windows 11 came out October 5, 2021. Edge came out in 2015 and they kept supporting IE11 until June 15, 2022. Given that the major Windows 11 features were things like introducing a screen grabber to make your passwords and private data vulnerable to theft, it's no wonder people have resisted adopting it.
What's your point? Windows 7 had 11 years of support. Windows 10 had 10. Nothing strange about it.
- Windows 8.1 had 7 years of support after Windows 10 was released.
- Windows 7 was supported for 7 years after Windows 8 came out.
- Same for Vista after 7 and Windows XP after Vista.
- Windows ME had 5 years of support after the release of Windows XP
- Windows 98 had 6 years after ME.
- Windows 1, 2, 3.0 and 3.1 all had 6 years of support after Windows 95 came out.
Only 4 years of support after the release of the next version of the operating system is highly unusual for Microsoft. They have always supported previous versions long enough that you could skip one version without running out of support, usually even two entire releases.
Instead they follow the schedule introduced in the "Windows 10 is the last Windows" era where two new versions are released each year and each version has three years of support. But this only makes sense if you treat Windows 11 as a rebranded Windows 10 that got a new name for legal reasons. Which Microsoft pretends it isn't, so I don't feel compelled to follow that reasoning when it benefits them. They can't have it both ways
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#44Windows 10 is the IPV4 of operating systems.
Windows is the IPv4 of operating systems. Every time a new Windows version comes out, since Windows XP, that there are forums filled with now the max exodus to Linux Desktop promised land is finally going to happen. Meanwhile not even Valve was able to convince game studios to port their Android NDK games to SteamDeck, they have to translate Windows/DirectX, and lets see for how long Microsoft will keep tolerating th…
I doubt they would bother honestly, Wine/Proton being good further cements "just develop for Windows, everyone else will accommodate."
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#45Steam users are more likely to be on win 10 than others because they often spend more money on gaming rigs than people buying web browser machine. With the hardware requirements of win 11 (tpm, others) many gamers will not want to throw out their working machines to satisfy Microsoft's hardware demand.
It's the other way around: PC gamers have more computer knowledge than the average user and actually upgrade their hardware. Windows 11 has been out for 3.5 years now. Among all internet users, 60% are still on Windows 10. Both worldwide [1] and in NA [2]. And that figure includes all the corporate machines that get replaced on deprecation schedules. Among private computers the share of Windows 10 might be even highe…
I'm curious what Microsoft will do in 8 months when over half of PC users will be running a Windows version that doesn't get security patches. As a comparison to your 60% figure for Windows 10, Windows 7 had around 30% market share and Windows XP had around 25% market share 8 months before their respective EOL dates. The only options I can think of are loosening the Windows 11 system requirements (dropping the TPM requirement for example) and doing something similar to the GWX program that forced Windows 7/8 users onto Windows 10, or extending the Windows 10 EOL date.
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#46I tried moving to Windows 11, discovered that pinning folders in Explorer was bugged to hell, and moved back to 10. All of the features I care to use in windows have been in since Windows 7; moving to 11 broke one of the very few moving parts in my workflow. Horrible experience!
Combine that with some of the smartest people I know at microsoft telling me that their current task is to add one iframe to the UI to inject more advertising (and that it had taken six months) and I am an active advocate on not upgrading. I have a test gaming system I'm going to install Arch on to prepare for the win10pocalypse.
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#47Steam users are more likely to be on win 10 than others because they often spend more money on gaming rigs than people buying web browser machine. With the hardware requirements of win 11 (tpm, others) many gamers will not want to throw out their working machines to satisfy Microsoft's hardware demand.
Well 2 years ago when I built a new desktop i took great care to order hardware that works on windows 11. Then I read the stories saying 11 has even more telemetry that you can't disable, ads on the start menu, Edge that you can't get rid of... and when I got around to setting up Windows on it I ordered a Win 10 license. They're still available even now, I think. Win 10 does try to trick me into upgrading to 11 rando…
Been running Win11 for a long time; used to be on the Insider track, so the upgrade came early and automatically.
No ads on the start menu. No bs notifications. OneDrive disabled and set to not auto-start.
I did have to disable all of the "interests" on the whatever-widget in the lower left corner, only leaving on the weather, so now it shows the current temperature, but doesn't feel the need to pester me about "breaking news". And I'm really irritable about that shit. Even text or an exclamation point grinds my gears; I feel that same way on mobile phones. No Best Buy, you don't need an indicator on your icon because I've dismissed your 3-times-weekly sale announcements.
Not sure about telemetry, need to look into that. I'm not really against telemetry, per se, provided it has a valid use case. If they're taking pictures of my screen while I'm working to train AI or do god knows what with it, I will deal with that (including moving full time to a distro, which I have done in the past).
Otherwise, my only real complaint is they manage to eff up the mouse in some way every every 4th update or so. Latest one is special pointers failing to return to normal after mousing away from whatever caused the special pointer (i.e. the pointer switches to indicate resizing a window and then doesn't switch back).
Beyond that, mostly smooth sailing. Wish WSL2 would finally officially support 6.x kernels, but they've been blocked on some random issues for 8+ months now.
I'm running Pro btw.
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#48How’s the experience of emulating windows for gaming on macOS today? Like on a MacBook pro with their proprietary chip?
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Windows is the IPv4 of operating systems. Every time a new Windows version comes out, since Windows XP, that there are forums filled with now the max exodus to Linux Desktop promised land is finally going to happen. Meanwhile not even Valve was able to convince game studios to port their Android NDK games to SteamDeck, they have to translate Windows/DirectX, and lets see for how long Microsoft will keep tolerating th…
> and lets see for how long Microsoft will keep tolerating that. Is that something we actually have to worry about? Wine has been around for more than 30 years in one form or another, and AFAIK Microsoft hasn't really taken any legal action against them. Are you saying that that has been the case because Wine has historically not been great, so Microsoft didn't perceive it as a threat?
Wine wasn't seen as a threat as SteamOS can be against Windows/XBox handhelds.
Think of how Microsoft quickly killed the Linux based netbooks, when they really started paying attention, then the new tablets market did the rest.
Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Windows is the IPv4 of operating systems. Every time a new Windows version comes out, since Windows XP, that there are forums filled with now the max exodus to Linux Desktop promised land is finally going to happen. Meanwhile not even Valve was able to convince game studios to port their Android NDK games to SteamDeck, they have to translate Windows/DirectX, and lets see for how long Microsoft will keep tolerating th…
I doubt they would bother honestly, Wine/Proton being good further cements "just develop for Windows, everyone else will accommodate."
Think how Linux netbooks was dealt with, and XBox wanting a piece of handhelds market.