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A Year of Telepathy

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Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Highly selective stills from low angles don't negate the full video dynamics of Musk's edgelord nazi salute. Nor the one that followed less than a minute later. Musk visited Auschwitz-Birkenau to try and regain PR points after boosting and reposting actual Nazi and alt-right content. It didn't work and it fooled no one. Except, apparrently, yourself.

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Re: A Year of Telepathy

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You say "wrong political party" as if he's involved in some mild political spat. The Financial Times just ran an article about how trump might defy the supreme court on his way to burning down the republic. Musk supported AFD while tweeting about the great replacement and throwing a nazi salute. He's supporting the wrong political party in much the same way Goebbels supported the wrong party.

> The Financial Times just ran an article about how trump might defy the supreme court on his way to burning down the republic.

But that is arguably a mixture between conjecture and hyperbole which would not be surprising from a newspaper that is clearly quite left-wing and often aims to make right-wing people look bad. It's like a right-wing newspaper writing an alarmist piece about Kamala Harris. Would you expect a fair appraisal?

> Musk supported AFD while tweeting about the great replacement and throwing a nazi salute. He's supporting the wrong political party in much the same way Goebbels supported the wrong party.

So what he actually does is he supports two parties which are against low-skilled immigration. A position which is completely mainstream in countries like Japan, Norway or Switzerland. Comparing that to literal Goebbels is trivializing the actual Nazi crimes.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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An "awkward gesture" that has no other meaning in western culture. Which he made twice. It's not something you can do by accident. > I can't imagine why he would throw one That's pretty naive. He's a white south african who recently said that Germany's furthest-right party should "get over" being guilty about what the nazis did.

It appears it is something one can do by accident; Musk did. We seem to have here an accusation by insinuation that Musk is adhering to an ideology which he clearly does not hold. It isn't obvious what the anti-Muskians want done about this. It puts me in mind of when people were calling Trump a liar while he was on campaign - apparently unaware that he was running for political office! I suppose in the end when Mexi…

Faulty logic that presupposes Musk made a nazi salute by accident to then evidence that as proof that one can do so by accident.

As for his ideology; Musk boosts many far right comments and addressed a rally of the German far-right AfD party, just before Holocaust Remembrance Day, telling them that Germany should get over "past guilt."

Both his grandfathers were proudly outspoken pro-apartheid, antisemitic public figures. It's how he was raised.

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It seems easy to worry about somewhat far-fetched scenarios like this when one is not paralyzed and thus not making a trade-off between risks and a fully paralyzed life.

The tech itself is far-fetched; that hackers exploit vulnerabilities in every system is not, rather it is so common you can measure attempts in Herz.

You have again ignored the trade-off in your word-play.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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It appears it is something one can do by accident; Musk did. We seem to have here an accusation by insinuation that Musk is adhering to an ideology which he clearly does not hold. It isn't obvious what the anti-Muskians want done about this. It puts me in mind of when people were calling Trump a liar while he was on campaign - apparently unaware that he was running for political office! I suppose in the end when Mexi…

Faulty logic that presupposes Musk made a nazi salute by accident to then evidence that as proof that one can do so by accident. As for his ideology; Musk boosts many far right comments and addressed a rally of the German far-right AfD party, just before Holocaust Remembrance Day, telling them that Germany should get over "past guilt." Both his grandfathers were proudly outspoken pro-apartheid, antisemitic public fig…

Are you suggesting the Germans shouldn't get over their past guilt? Everyone reasonable moved past that more than 50 years ago. I know some Germans; if they don't want to feel guilt over the Nazis that is healthy. Germany should not be defined by the Nazis. It wasn't this century, it wasn't these Germans and the circumstances today are unrecognisable compared to 1930s from an ideological perspective.

> Both his grandfathers were proudly outspoken pro-apartheid, antisemitic public figures. It's how he was raised.

Oh well then. Extending his arm straight didn't reach me, but racist grandparents? Nazi confirmed, my bad, I'll go invest in Jew ovens. Now everyone can move on; no point anyone bringing it up again.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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The article shows a video of Noland, paralyzed from the shoulders down, playing Polytopia. It's great to be fully able-bodied and mock Elon Musk, but for someone to go from using a mouth stylus to playing Polytopia via telepathy is very cool and should be celebrated.

There is more than one organization/company in the world working on human-computer assistive interfaces for the paralyzed. For instance: https://www.news-medical.net/news/20230824/Brain-computer-in... https://news.brown.edu/articles/2012/05/braingate2 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/STROKEAHA.123.037719 If you google "BCI brain computer interface paralyzed" you will find a wealth of researchers and organizati…

Great. Happy to celebrate them too.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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I am extremely unlikely to ever allow anything even vaguely related to Elon Musk to implant something in my brain, or even to wear as completely noninvasive "through the skin" helmet or headband-like sensing device. Nevermind something with him as a founder.

If it was that or be paralyzed for the rest of your life, would you at least consider it? I don't like Musk and I find Neuralink spooky in terms of their overall goals, but it's hard to deny how much this invention helps people.

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Re: A Year of Telepathy

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I am extremely unlikely to ever allow anything even vaguely related to Elon Musk to implant something in my brain, or even to wear as completely noninvasive "through the skin" helmet or headband-like sensing device. Nevermind something with him as a founder.

I'm reminded of The Diamond Age novel, where a character hears about someone who had an implant which was hacked. If I recall correctly, the hack caused the implant to display an advertisement in a different language at the edge of their vision. That seems pretty benign compared to what a neural implant could be made to do to someone.

In Iain M Banks' Culture novels there's a ship (the General Systems Vehicle "Grey Area", but most often called "Meatfucker" by other ships) which has converted its interior into a museum of torture devices. Lots of stuff we'd recognise, but one we wouldn't - a Neural Lace. Almost all Culture citizens have one, it's typically implanted in early adulthood and grows next to your brain. A Culture Citizen touring the museum is confused, why does the Grey Area have a Neural Lace ?

Well of course the device doesn't have to be programmed to be controlled by the host, does it ? Torture entirely by manipulating the compute substrate your mind runs on would be effective† and yet very easy to do... so this is in fact just another torture device.

† Effective in the sense that it would inflict needless misery on people, that's what torture is actually for, it's not an effective interrogation strategy and never has been.

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