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Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

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Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

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A weekly Summa Theologica reading group, attended by Catholics and non-Catholics alike, led by a professor with credentials in philosophy and theology, was one of the best experiences of my life: https://sacred-texts.com/chr/aquinas/summa/

No matter what your beliefs are, if you seriously want to study philosophy, you have to go through it.

Did something similar. It is great.

Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

#43
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you actually talking about here?

That polytheism is "the truth"? Same mental gymnastics should apply here, though, according to his belief.

Thing is I didn't even read anything promoting either monotheism or polytheism, or anything of the kind.

Yes, Catholics are in awe looking at that face they love, good for them, but paleontologists could just be in awe of the facial reconstruction of a neanderthal without them promoting any philosophy or religion...

So I fail to see what are the mental gymnastics they are talking about.

Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

#44
Isn't this reconstruction a bit on the slim side? Aquinas was reportedly, let's say, a man of portly presence.

I can't find a scholarly source on the matter, at the moment, but here are two quotes I found on the website of a nun[1] (no less, so probably written in good faith):

> St. Thomas was a huge heavy bull of a man, fat and slow and quiet; very mild and magnanimous but not very sociable; shy, even apart from the humility of holiness; and abstracted, even apart from his occasional and carefully concealed experiences of trance or ecstasy. (G.K. Chesterton)

> St. Thomas Aquinas was a compulsive over-eater who was not just fat but morbidly obese and physically grotesque. (Myron Shibley)

[1] http://asksistermarymartha.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-fat-was-...

(Fun fact, there's a reference to this in Umberto Eco's The Name of the Rose, alluding to difficulties with the transport of the body over a staircase, which coincides with circumstances of G.K. Chesterton's passing, as described on that page.)

Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

#45
post #26

> “Now, it could be that on the whole we’re a lot larger now than even overweight medievals were, or that St. Thomas was never the portly friar described by his legend,” Father Aquinas quipped, adding, “Regardless, the stories of St. Thomas’ size are probably exaggerated.” According to Martin Luther (who may have had an interest in discrediting him), Thomas Aquinas was able to devour an entire goose, and a piece of h…

I wonder if Martin Luther would have a reason to slander the head figure of catholicism and creator of the doctrine used by Cajetan to argue against his own doctrine... The same Luther who was proven by his own disciples to have exaggerated many stories about catholics in his biography.

Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

#46

Isn't this reconstruction a bit on the slim side? Aquinas was reportedly, let's say, a man of portly presence. I can't find a scholarly source on the matter, at the moment, but here are two quotes I found on the website of a nun[1] (no less, so probably written in good faith): > St. Thomas was a huge heavy bull of a man, fat and slow and quiet; very mild and magnanimous but not very sociable; shy, even apart from the…

The article discusses this. The researchers admit they can't know for sure if they got that part right. On the other hand, standards for body size were very different 750 years ago than today, so that's certainly part of it. Legends tend to get more exaggerated over time, and the legend of Thomas Aquinas has had plenty of time for exaggeration to build up.

Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

#47

Isn't this reconstruction a bit on the slim side? Aquinas was reportedly, let's say, a man of portly presence. I can't find a scholarly source on the matter, at the moment, but here are two quotes I found on the website of a nun[1] (no less, so probably written in good faith): > St. Thomas was a huge heavy bull of a man, fat and slow and quiet; very mild and magnanimous but not very sociable; shy, even apart from the…

The article discusses this. The researchers admit they can't know for sure if they got that part right. On the other hand, standards for body size were very different 750 years ago than today, so that's certainly part of it. Legends tend to get more exaggerated over time, and the legend of Thomas Aquinas has had plenty of time for exaggeration to build up.

I'm aware of this. But the article gives no reason for this choice. It's rather a "well, couldn't it be" hypothetical, provided as a quote:

> “Now, it could be that on the whole we’re a lot larger now than even overweight medievals were, or that St. Thomas was never the portly friar described by his legend,” Father Aquinas quipped, adding, “Regardless, the stories of St. Thomas’ size are probably exaggerated.”

This is certainly in stark contrast to the centuries-long traditional notion of Aquinas' appearance, which may require some further detail why and how this choice was made. – I can see why the quoted father Aquinas should be excited by this "angelic" appearance, but this may be hardly sufficient to motivate a scientific choice. Personally, I can't see how the size of the skull (the sole evidence) should or could correlate with body mass.

Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

#48
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aquinas was born in central Italy during the High Middle Ages. What hair and skin colour do you think he had?

It was an metaphor for the typical cherry picking that religions do. Edit: no, it wasn't a hyperbole , it was a metaphor

I think you mean the typical cherry picking that institutions and organizations do, both religious and secular.

Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

#49
post #26

> “Now, it could be that on the whole we’re a lot larger now than even overweight medievals were, or that St. Thomas was never the portly friar described by his legend,” Father Aquinas quipped, adding, “Regardless, the stories of St. Thomas’ size are probably exaggerated.” According to Martin Luther (who may have had an interest in discrediting him), Thomas Aquinas was able to devour an entire goose, and a piece of h…

I wonder if Martin Luther would have a reason to slander the head figure of catholicism and creator of the doctrine used by Cajetan to argue against his own doctrine... The same Luther who was proven by his own disciples to have exaggerated many stories about catholics in his biography.

You don’t get all the way to 95 Theses by keeping the boat on an even keel.

Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

#50
post #26

> “Now, it could be that on the whole we’re a lot larger now than even overweight medievals were, or that St. Thomas was never the portly friar described by his legend,” Father Aquinas quipped, adding, “Regardless, the stories of St. Thomas’ size are probably exaggerated.” According to Martin Luther (who may have had an interest in discrediting him), Thomas Aquinas was able to devour an entire goose, and a piece of h…

With all respect to Martin Luther, he was also enormously rotund. Gluttony seems to have been the main vice of several important theologians.
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