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Perma.cc – Permanent Link Service
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Re: Perma.cc – Permanent Link Service
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Please note that this is a statement of Perma.cc’s present intent in the event the project winds down. Perma.cc may revise or amend this page at any time. Nothing on this page is intended to, nor may it be read to, create a legal or contractual right for users or obligation for Perma.cc, under the Perma.cc Terms of Use or otherwise." So, yeah, nothing is different than anyone else, other than they have a "cunning pl…
You can’t actually create a contractual right without consideration and they appear to be a free service. They can only promise to do their best.
Not what people are asking for. What you're ruling out is the equivalent of expecting cryostasis subscribers to sue if there's ever a service interruption.
Conventional business models as currently implemented are fundamentally misaligned to the timescales associated with this product category. Products like these need a level of stability that can only be accomplished at the charter level of the corporation -- it needs to be fundamentally incapable of reneging on promises made.
Without that kind of reassurance, why should anyone trust this service with their links? The exchange is incredibly unequal. They receive full, permanent control of the content, access, and monetization of all things which I cite. I receive... a promise that my links will do what they already do, but maybe last longer.
Re: Perma.cc – Permanent Link Service
#43Does this solve any of the problems that other link shorteners have, like eventually breaking when the site goes bankrupt or getting blocked by sites like Reddit due to their ability to conceal spam?
It is not a link shortener, it is an archive tool. I thought the same thing when I first saw the headline. Their description is really bad and confusing.
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#44Heads up that the .cc TLD is frequently used for malicious purposes and will likely get blocked by a lot of networks. When I've worked on spam prevention in the past, that TLD always comes up disproportionately often. I've never personally built a filter that blocks the entire TLD, but I'm sure from looking at the data that people with stricter compliance requirements have. The Anti-Phishing Working Group ranked the…
This isnt a new product. Harvard made perma.cc over a decade ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perma.cc
It's unique in that, if you opt out of the paid account route, you need someone like a library to sponsor your access, and then when you archive something, it is akin to giving it to your library to store.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s run by the Harvard Law Library (i.e. backed by a multibillion-dollar university that is substantially older than the country it’s located in) and operated as a decentralized network across multiple public and private library systems. Like any service, it might shut down due to lack of interest, but I doubt Harvard Law is at risk of “going out of business”.
There honestly might be a greater chance of something happening to the .cc domain (like what's happening now with .io) Harvard has a much larger population than the Cocos islands, I don't know why this project decided to rely on a country code tld
then the dns providers of the world step in and override it and redirect. hopefully cloudflare can save us.
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#46Hi! Perma is made by the Harvard Library Innovation Lab, which I direct, and I wrote a bunch of the early code for it back in 2015 or so. For HN readers, I'd suggest checking out https://tools.perma.cc/ , where we post a bunch of the open source work that backs this. Due to the shift from warc to wacz, (a zipped-web-archive format developed by WebRecorder), it's now possible to pass around fully interactive high fide…
Since you own the "perma.link" domain name (I just looked it up) why don't you use that instead of .cc which has issues?
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#47Permanent, until they go out of business. We should just standardize on archive.org and figure out a way to distribute redundant copies of its data around in such a way that it can survive even if the original Internet Archive goes down. I hate to push blockchain stuff, but something like IPFS might actually be a good idea here.
It’s run by the Harvard Law Library (i.e. backed by a multibillion-dollar university that is substantially older than the country it’s located in) and operated as a decentralized network across multiple public and private library systems. Like any service, it might shut down due to lack of interest, but I doubt Harvard Law is at risk of “going out of business”.
Any discussion in this domain should include an overview of what happened to PURL and purl.org
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_uniform_resource_lo...
Regardless of institutional gravitas, projects without wide uptake are mostly doomed on a 20-year horizon.
Re: Perma.cc – Permanent Link Service
#48Heads up that the .cc TLD is frequently used for malicious purposes and will likely get blocked by a lot of networks. When I've worked on spam prevention in the past, that TLD always comes up disproportionately often. I've never personally built a filter that blocks the entire TLD, but I'm sure from looking at the data that people with stricter compliance requirements have. The Anti-Phishing Working Group ranked the…
This isnt a new product. Harvard made perma.cc over a decade ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perma.cc It's unique in that, if you opt out of the paid account route, you need someone like a library to sponsor your access, and then when you archive something, it is akin to giving it to your library to store.
Right, but new product or not if you use this as a solution for permalinks you are running the risk that in certain types of networks—especially those that the target audience for academic writing often operates in—people will not be able to access your links.
That might be worth the trade-off, and it might well be that the service is well-known enough that even networks that block the entire TLD make an exception for Perma.cc. But I wouldn't assume that to be the case without validating it first.
I also think it's worth just calling out bad TLDs when we see them so that people don't think it's okay to copy. Even if Perma.cc is well known enough to avoid the problem, your new app won't be.
Re: Perma.cc – Permanent Link Service
#49Heads up that the .cc TLD is frequently used for malicious purposes and will likely get blocked by a lot of networks. When I've worked on spam prevention in the past, that TLD always comes up disproportionately often. I've never personally built a filter that blocks the entire TLD, but I'm sure from looking at the data that people with stricter compliance requirements have. The Anti-Phishing Working Group ranked the…
This isnt a new product. Harvard made perma.cc over a decade ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perma.cc It's unique in that, if you opt out of the paid account route, you need someone like a library to sponsor your access, and then when you archive something, it is akin to giving it to your library to store.
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Re: Perma.cc – Permanent Link Service
#50Hi! Perma is made by the Harvard Library Innovation Lab, which I direct, and I wrote a bunch of the early code for it back in 2015 or so. For HN readers, I'd suggest checking out https://tools.perma.cc/ , where we post a bunch of the open source work that backs this. Due to the shift from warc to wacz, (a zipped-web-archive format developed by WebRecorder), it's now possible to pass around fully interactive high fide…
I think the main question is: - Why is it better than internet archive? I personally see the benefit as potentially having internet archive stopping being the only game in town, but even that comes with certain costs ( which may not be great to the community as a whole -- depending on who you ask ). I would love to hear your perspective on where you stand as related to other providers of similar services.
Irrelevant. The point is that there shouldn't be a single archive for anything, because then it has the longevity of the operators. Who can say whether Harvard or the IA will close its service first? Why choose ?