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Anthropic: "Applicants should not use AI assistants"

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Re: Anthropic: "Applicants should not use AI assistants"

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> AI made your homework? Guess what, the homework is a proxy for your talent, and it didn't make your talent. At least in theory that’s not what homework is. Homework should be exercises to allow practicing whatever technique you’re trying to learn, because most people learn best by repeatedly doing a thing rather than reading a few chapters of a book. By applying an LLM to the problem you’re just practicing how to u…

What if you use it to get unstuck from a problem? Then come back and learn more about what you got stuck on. That seems like responsible use.

But how likely is that?

Re: Anthropic: "Applicants should not use AI assistants"

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> please do not use AI assistants during the application process. We want to understand your personal interest in Anthropic without mediation through an AI system, and we also want to evaluate your non-AI-assisted communication skills. There are two backwards things with this: 1) You can't ask people to not use AI when careful, responsible use is undetectable. It just isn't a realistic request. You'll have great repl…

> You can't ask people to not use AI when careful, responsible use is undetectable.

You can't make a rule, if people can cheat undetectably?

Re: Anthropic: "Applicants should not use AI assistants"

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> AI made your homework? Guess what, the homework is a proxy for your talent, and it didn't make your talent. At least in theory that’s not what homework is. Homework should be exercises to allow practicing whatever technique you’re trying to learn, because most people learn best by repeatedly doing a thing rather than reading a few chapters of a book. By applying an LLM to the problem you’re just practicing how to u…

Um, get with the times, luddite. You can use an LLM for everything, including curing cancer and fixing climate change. (I still mentally cringe as I remember the posts about Disney and Marvel going out of business because of Stable Diffusion. That certainly didn't age well.)

AI did my gym workout, still no muscles.

Re: Anthropic: "Applicants should not use AI assistants"

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This is quite a conundrum. These AI companies thrive on the idea that very soon people will not be replaced by AI, but by people who can effectively use AI to be 10x more productive. If AI turns a normal coder into a 10x dev, then why wouldn't you want to see that during an interview? Especially since cheating this whole interview system has become trivial in the past months. It's not the applicants that are the prob…

Because as someone who’s interviewing, I know you can use AI — anyone can. It likely obscures me from judging the pitfalls, and design and architecture decisions that are required in proper engineering roles. Especially for senior and above applications, I want to make an assessment of how you think about problems, where it gives a chance for the candidate to show their experience, their technical understanding, and…

No, not everyone can really use AI to deliver something that works.

And ultimately, this is what this is about, right? Delivering working products.

Re: Anthropic: "Applicants should not use AI assistants"

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> please do not use AI assistants during the application process. We want to understand your personal interest in Anthropic without mediation through an AI system, and we also want to evaluate your non-AI-assisted communication skills. There are two backwards things with this: 1) You can't ask people to not use AI when careful, responsible use is undetectable. It just isn't a realistic request. You'll have great repl…

Can't disagree more. Talent is built and perfected upon thousands hours practice, LLMs just make you lazy. One thing people with seniority in the field don't realize, as I guess you are, is that LLMs don't help develop "muscle memory" in young practioners, it just make them miserable, often caged in an infinite feedback loop of bug fixing or trying to untangle a code mess. They may extract some value by using it for studying but I doubt it and only goes so far, when started I remember being able to extract so much knowledge just by reading a book about algorithms, try to reimplement things, break them, and so on. Today I can use an LLM because I'm wise enough and I can spot wrong answers, but still feel becoming a bit lazy.

Re: Anthropic: "Applicants should not use AI assistants"

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What if you use it to get unstuck from a problem? Then come back and learn more about what you got stuck on. That seems like responsible use.

But how likely is that?

doesn't sound much different than googling and finding a snippet that gets you unstuck. This might be a shortcut to the same thing.

Re: Anthropic: "Applicants should not use AI assistants"

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> please do not use AI assistants during the application process. We want to understand your personal interest in Anthropic without mediation through an AI system, and we also want to evaluate your non-AI-assisted communication skills. There are two backwards things with this: 1) You can't ask people to not use AI when careful, responsible use is undetectable. It just isn't a realistic request. You'll have great repl…

>AI made your homework? Guess what, the homework is a proxy for your talent, and it didn't make your talent.

There's a difference between knowing how to use a calculator and knowing how to do math. The same goes for AI. Being talented at giving AI prompts doesn't mean you are generally talented or have AI-unrelated talents desired by an employer.

Re: Anthropic: "Applicants should not use AI assistants"

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What if you use it to get unstuck from a problem? Then come back and learn more about what you got stuck on. That seems like responsible use.

But how likely is that?

It was the same way I think a lot of us used textbooks back in the day. Can’t figure out how to solve a problem, so look around for a similar setup in the chapter.

If AI is just a search over all information, this makes that process faster. I guess the downside is there was arguably something to be learned searching through the chapter as well.

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