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On DeepSeek and export controls

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Re: On DeepSeek and export controls

#41
Maybe if US wasn't led by a bully that care's not about democratic ideals, but only on the rule of power it'll be easier to support the notion of US the leader of the free world. But just take a look at how he handled Denmark-Greenland issue, Pure bullying. In the Trumpian world, US has no allies, only vassals.

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#42
> In the end, AI companies in the US and other democracies must have better models than those in China if we want to prevail.

How about everyone has access to the best model because it's Open Source and openly developed?

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#44

I'm kind of tired of the entire narrative that "US good, everyone else bad", as if only US deserves to hold powerful technology because it will be used for "the greater good", rather than employ it in military applications, as if Anthropic didn't partner with Palantir. And it amazes me how many people can't seem to see past the "US is good, everyone else are bad" smoke mirror.

Absolutely. Chinese companies shouldn't have chips because their government has "committed human rights violations, has behaved aggressively on the world stage". And the US government hasn't?

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#45

The technical summary is excellent. But I worry that prominent US voices couching AI progress in Cold War style war rhetoric is likely to be... self-fulfilling. Surely some of the people paying closest attention to these articles are Chinese politicians and military leaders - it would definitely seem alarming to me if the Deepseek CEO kept writing things like: "whoever reaches this threshold of AI intelligence first…

If you read enough history books (and have a passable grasp of German, and tolerate the weird lead types used in the press for those days) you will be able to find _a lot_ of opinion pieces from our recent history that play along the same lines, but for earlier industries (like automotive).

People _really_ ought to study more of our past.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where does he imply that it's 2x larger than Sonnet?

I inferred that from the other statement: > Since DeepSeek-V3 is worse than those US frontier models — let’s say by ~2x on the scaling curve, which I think is quite generous to DeepSeek-V3 He says that it's 2x worse. So if it has the ~same quality [1], it would imply it's 2x larger. Unless I misunderstood what he meant there, of course. [1]: "DeepSeek produced a model close to the performance of US models" -- in his…

Ah, I read that as him saying the quality isn't as good-equivalent to a model with 50% less compute. But you might be right.

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I mean, in the end, USA is still better than the alternative.

The civilizational alternative is Europe. The economic alternative, that we can debate...

We are not alternative to anything. We are so hopelessly behind USA, and it doesn't seem it can be changed.

Choice is - USA or China. And I certainly know in which world I'd rather live.

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#48

I'm kind of tired of the entire narrative that "US good, everyone else bad", as if only US deserves to hold powerful technology because it will be used for "the greater good", rather than employ it in military applications, as if Anthropic didn't partner with Palantir. And it amazes me how many people can't seem to see past the "US is good, everyone else are bad" smoke mirror.

I live here, so I want it to be the best.

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post #44

I'm kind of tired of the entire narrative that "US good, everyone else bad", as if only US deserves to hold powerful technology because it will be used for "the greater good", rather than employ it in military applications, as if Anthropic didn't partner with Palantir. And it amazes me how many people can't seem to see past the "US is good, everyone else are bad" smoke mirror.

Absolutely. Chinese companies shouldn't have chips because their government has "committed human rights violations, has behaved aggressively on the world stage". And the US government hasn't?

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Re: On DeepSeek and export controls

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post #44

I'm kind of tired of the entire narrative that "US good, everyone else bad", as if only US deserves to hold powerful technology because it will be used for "the greater good", rather than employ it in military applications, as if Anthropic didn't partner with Palantir. And it amazes me how many people can't seem to see past the "US is good, everyone else are bad" smoke mirror.

Absolutely. Chinese companies shouldn't have chips because their government has "committed human rights violations, has behaved aggressively on the world stage". And the US government hasn't?

Just wait. By year 2 of Trump 2.0, China is going to be the global good guy that Europe and Latin America make their new best friend.
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