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Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by lolinder »

portaouflop wrote: post #37
lolinder wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but too often people hear that and sub in "harmless", which it's absolutely not. "Better than tobacco" is one of the easiest bars for any drug to clear, and weed is not by any stretch of the imagination harmless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBRaI0ZeAf8

Nothing is really completely harmless if you think about it - but I agree that weed is more dangerous than it’s made out to be often. I think the same applies to every socially accepted drug, such as coffee, alcohol, ibuprofen etc

Yeah, "nothing is really completely harmless" is used to justify all kinds of harm. Nothing is completely harmless, but some things are more harmful than others, and at least with adolescents weed isn't even in the same ballpark as coffee or ibuprofen.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by hiq »

ceejayoz wrote: post #10
potato3732842 wrote: post #4

I'm gonna ask the same thing I asked when some city in Spain did this. What happens to people who live in non smoking apartments and don't have private outdoor space to smoke? I'm not sure what a "reasonable" carve out for these people would look like but people aren't idiots and they tend to resent individuals, groups and institutions that make their daily behavior unlawful with the stroke of a pen and the more poli…

> What happens to people who live in non smoking apartments and don't have private outdoor space to smoke? You switch to vaping (public health win!) or you move.

> vaping (public health win!)

I don't think it's that clear. If smokers simply replaced their smoking with vaping maybe it would be a win, but I've noticed that the behavior when it comes to vaping is wildly different: smokers tend to vape more than they would smoke because of how little friction there is in comparison (you don't even a lighter, you can often stay indoors and it will smell less so others won't complain as much).

I even know of someone who vapes while lying in bed, and I can't imagine they would smoke a cigarette there.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by tkgally »

Twice last year, I went into a coffee shop in Osaka to kill some time and the shop turned out to allow smoking, so I left. I was surprised both times, as that hasn’t happened to me in Yokohama (where I live) or Tokyo for a long time.

One of the shops [1] was in Taisho Ward, and the other [2] was in the basement of one of the Osaka Eki-mae buildings—both places with a working-class, nontrendy atmosphere.

[1] https://tabelog.com/osaka/A2701/A270401/27077305/

[2] https://tabelog.com/osaka/A2701/A270101/27060170/

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

bko wrote: post #3

The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone publicly smoking weed at 7am on a weekday. What does this guy's day look like? How can he function high all day?

Chemicals affect people differently. There are some high energy, high anxiety people who can be very productive on all kinds of substances that would make me useless all day.

That said, there are also a ton of stoners just doing nothing all day. I get it though, when I was a teenager working at bestbuy I got high just to make it through the day. Now that I have to think at work it is unimaginable.

It really is strange how having a beer with breakfast is somehow worse societally than smoking a joint. I think we’re going to see pushback against cannabis abuse in the next few decades. Hopefully after it’s fully legal.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by dole »

bko wrote: post #20
lotsofpulp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never seen someone high on cannabis be a danger to others, and cannabis smoke airs out pretty easily, as opposed to cigarette smoke that sticks to everything and doesn’t go away. Not that cannabis smoke isn’t annoying, but it’s far less annoying than cigarette smoke ever was.

> I’ve never seen someone high on cannabis be a danger to others I think driving while high is dangerous and inexplicably very accepted in society. But my comment wasn't "they're hurting someone by choosing to smoke weed". It's more I feel bad that they're inebriated for much of their day and for me that's kind of sad. I've known pot-heads before and they're not exactly living their best lives and are often dependent…

Coffee, cigarettes, alcohol, weed, Wellbutrin, Xanax... with all things, people metabolize and tolerate all types of substances differently to help us make it through the day.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by makeitdouble »

potato3732842 wrote: post #16
ceejayoz wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What happens to people who live in non smoking apartments and don't have private outdoor space to smoke? You switch to vaping (public health win!) or you move.

I agree vaping is a big public health improvement (not that I'm a particular fan of it) over smoking but they banned that too... Nobody is gonna move over smoking. They're just gonna resent you. And that'll hamstring your next public health action or whatever because the political will just won't be there.

Vaping in one's apartment isn't banned.

Except perhaps if you have a very specific clause in a renting contract, but I don't think anyone would bother going these lengths.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by elpocko »

bko wrote: post #3

The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

>What does this guy's day look like? How can he function high all day?

It's a matter of experience and tolerance. A heavy weed smoker doesn't get "high" in the same way as someone who only smokes on occasion. You get a buzz, a slight alteration of your inner state, but there is no huge impairment. For some people, especially those who work intellectually and creatively, it's quite the opposite actually.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by ceejayoz »

hiq wrote: post #42
ceejayoz wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What happens to people who live in non smoking apartments and don't have private outdoor space to smoke? You switch to vaping (public health win!) or you move.

> vaping (public health win!) I don't think it's that clear. If smokers simply replaced their smoking with vaping maybe it would be a win, but I've noticed that the behavior when it comes to vaping is wildly different: smokers tend to vape more than they would smoke because of how little friction there is in comparison (you don't even a lighter, you can often stay indoors and it will smell less so others won't compla…

I'm still inclined to see that as a win. Cigarettes have significantly more downsides than just the nicotine.

Re: Osaka bans smoking on all of its streets, vaping included

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Post by ubermonkey »

bko wrote: post #3

The cultural shift against smoking cigarettes over the last 2 decades has been fun to watch. Ironically, at the same time there has been an acceptance of smoking weed. You get dirtier looks and more likely to be harassed smoking a cigarette than you would smoking weed, regardless of place and time of day. Not that one is better than the other per-se. But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone pub…

>But I just find it baffling how acceptable it is to see someone publicly smoking weed at 7am on a weekday.

Not everyone works a business day. 7AM on a weekday may be a day off, or may be someone on 3rd shift coming home and unwinding.

Weed is also not really like booze. There are no end of jobs where being a little high is probably a net positive.

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