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CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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So there’s a new president and the main intelligence agency changes its position radically in alignment with the new government. Why should we be confident in any other claim they made in the past?

Or, in a parallel universe, there's an old president who preemptively pardoned the person who might have been involved in GOF research leading to a lab leak.

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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Wasn't this one of those "forbidden" conspiracy theories, censored from most social media, while most people (here too) cheered for "fighting misinformation" with censorship?

It was malinformation. Whether it is misinformation or not is irrelevant.

I'm assuming this is satire?

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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Yes, but we can assume - Trump and his people have openly communicated, planned, and followed through on it - that the actions of executive branch agencies are politicized. Here we are told that the "C.I.A.’s new director, John Ratcliffe, ... wants the agency to get “off the sidelines” in the debate."; that he's long favored the lab-leak theory (which is a politicized issue); and of all the things a brand new new CIA…

Senator Tom Cotton (R-Arkansas), Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, released the following statement about the CIA’s findings on the origins of the Coronavirus: “I’ve said from the beginning that Covid likely originated in the Wuhan labs. Communist China covered it up and the liberal media covered for them. I’m pleased the CIA concluded in the final days of the Biden administration that the lab-leak theor…

Having no other information, the fact he went out of his way to associate it with Biden makes it seem actually politically driven by Trump/Republicans.

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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So there’s a new president and the main intelligence agency changes its position radically in alignment with the new government. Why should we be confident in any other claim they made in the past?

Considering what is known about that agency's activities under Reagan, I think everyone lost confidence about any claims they made before I was even born.

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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> The agency made its new assessment with “low confidence,” which means the intelligence behind it is fragmentary and incomplete. I do believe that's all one really needs to know about this shift in their thinking. In other words: it's really far from certain. --- One thing that is, however, quite certain: there are very real political reasons to favor one theory or another. For example, Sen. Tom Cotton is quoted as…

What is clear is that Ratcliff wants the lab leak theory to be true

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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The CIA is not a neutral party in this. Discrediting China may well be their goal here. A lab leak is not impossible, but there are good reasons to suspect a natural spillover event. There have been a number of studies that point in that direction; e.g. recent genetic analysis that suggests that the Wuhan wet market was the origin. https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(24)00901-2

US will keep discrediting China as long as there is no conclusive evidence of what exactly happened. The burden of proof is on China. But let's be honest if it was a lab leak of this scale and consequences in US, US wouldn't admit it as would probably no country.

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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Pretty safe to say this is a politicized nothingburger:

  The announcement of the shift came shortly after Mr. Ratcliffe told Breitbart News he no longer wanted the agency “on the sidelines” of the debate over the origins of the Covid pandemic. Mr. Ratcliffe has long said he believes that the virus most likely emerged from the Wuhan Institute of Virology....

  Another senior U.S. official said it was Mr. Ratcliffe’s decision to declassify and release the new analysis. There is no new intelligence behind the agency’s shift. Rather it is based on the same evidence it has been chewing over for months.....

  To boost the natural origins theory, intelligence officers would like to find the animal that passed it to a human or find a bat carrying what was the likely ancestor of the coronavirus that causes Covid.

  Similarly, to seal the lab leak, the intelligence community would like to find evidence that one of the labs in Wuhan was working on a progenitor virus that directly led to the epidemic.

  Neither piece of evidence has been found.

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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So there’s a new president and the main intelligence agency changes its position radically in alignment with the new government. Why should we be confident in any other claim they made in the past?

Even if the lab leak theory is true, why Trump was so confident about it? Does he have sources that CIA does not? I would be so confident in it only in the case if I myself caused that virus leak...

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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It did though. Animal origin only stopped being the most favored explanation because we haven't found the link in 5 years.

I'm confused, do you mean the animal origin had no evidence either, but was favoured? But not having evidence for 5 years suddenly makes the other theory favoured instead? So basically neither had real evidence, but one was favoured?

False equivalence. Zoonotic diseases have precedent (SARS, MERS) and SARS-CoV-2 most closely resembles BANAL-52, a bat Coronavirus.

Animal origin still seems more likely to me, but less than 5 years ago, since we have a missing link one would expect to see.

Re: CIA now favors lab leak theory to explain Covid's origins

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So there’s a new president and the main intelligence agency changes its position radically in alignment with the new government. Why should we be confident in any other claim they made in the past?

So what you're saying is that we shouldn't put our trust into people who pride themselves on being master manipulators and deceivers?

The head of a underpants subscription telemarketing firm is probably trusting his underlings more than the head of the CIA.
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