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Re: Looking for work is a full time job

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Post by rgbrgb »

verdverm wrote: post #18
Dallas_B wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, not really trying to do that, more built it out of frustration. I've heard this can be an advantage in an interview to essentially sell 'look what I built in my down time' etc - Who knows.

Totally, it's good to have projects or a portfolio, it's not so much to have marketing & payment pages or look like it's an early startup

it cuts both ways! it is hard to find engineers who are self-motivated to think about product, customers, and conversion. this project gives the candidate strong credibility there.

I have also been burnt with employees leaving to start their own thing, but that's more the exception compared to engineers who don't deliver much value because they're not actually interested in building stuff or only interested in the programming part of building stuff.

Re: Looking for work is a full time job

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Post by n_ary »

graemep wrote: post #23
surfingdino wrote: post #14

FYI: It takes between 3-12 months to find a contract in the UK in the IT space now.

In the UK. Freelance. A major client put their project on hold and (looking to fill gap) its been a long time since I saw so few opportunities for things I used to find it easy to get work in (e.g. Django, which can be boring but has always been solid bread and butter).

Interestingly, since some of my colleagues are actually looking to jump ships, I lend them some networking. Last week when we were having a coffee, everyone had the same complaint, all the shiny tech are missing, the old tech are now all the rage. Basically last when I checked, anyone with TS(nest), Python(django/flask), Go(Echo) were swimming in offers. Now literally every job is Java(springboot) or Rails(RoR) and every job needs years of experience with every AWS(and some GCP) components.

It is very strange, seems like the market is just suddenly very different. Even senior engineers are not well trusted with adapting new language or tools, while previously I actually onboarded several senior engineers to entirely new stack (e.g. TS -> Go, C++ -> TS, Zig -> Kotlin, frontend engineer with vanilla JS -> Java). The whole market is insane(or entirely irrational).

Reference: Am in one of the EU countries where BMW originates.

Re: Looking for work is a full time job

#43

Post by graemep »

n_ary wrote: post #42
graemep wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the UK. Freelance. A major client put their project on hold and (looking to fill gap) its been a long time since I saw so few opportunities for things I used to find it easy to get work in (e.g. Django, which can be boring but has always been solid bread and butter).

Interestingly, since some of my colleagues are actually looking to jump ships, I lend them some networking. Last week when we were having a coffee, everyone had the same complaint, all the shiny tech are missing, the old tech are now all the rage. Basically last when I checked, anyone with TS(nest), Python(django/flask), Go(Echo) were swimming in offers. Now literally every job is Java(springboot) or Rails(RoR) and e…

That is interesting.

Is Django shiny? I have been doing it for so long it feels like old tech to me. YMMV I suppose.

Re: Looking for work is a full time job

#44

Post by surfingdino »

TuringNYC wrote: post #30
surfingdino wrote: post #14

FYI: It takes between 3-12 months to find a contract in the UK in the IT space now.

>> FYI: It takes between 3-12 months to find a contract in the UK in the IT space now. Is that because the market rates have changed? I'm in the US and there is definitely a rate-filltime curve. At a certain rate, filltimes become almost immediate, because it makes sense to just hire for option value. However, at 2021 rates, I can see that filltime would be long. (NOT saying that the market clearing rates are actuall…

Most contract jobs went to big consultancies who benefitted from a change in legislation related to contracting. That resulted in lowering of contract rates at first, then shipping large numbers of offshore contractors to the UK from non-EU countries, and finally to roles being moved offshore altogether. A lot of UK contract roles are no longer advertised in the UK, but offshore. It's so bad that offshore recruiters are now seeking UK-based contractors for remote EU roles. UK politicians allowed a massive takeover of IT roles by offshore consultancies, recruiters, and contractors.

Re: Looking for work is a full time job

#45

Post by verdverm »

rgbrgb wrote: post #41
verdverm wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally, it's good to have projects or a portfolio, it's not so much to have marketing & payment pages or look like it's an early startup

it cuts both ways! it is hard to find engineers who are self-motivated to think about product, customers, and conversion. this project gives the candidate strong credibility there. I have also been burnt with employees leaving to start their own thing, but that's more the exception compared to engineers who don't deliver much value because they're not actually interested in building stuff or only interested in the pr…

We programmers certainly come in a lot of varieties!

Re: Looking for work is a full time job

#46

Post by surfingdino »

username135 wrote: post #37
surfingdino wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason you are getting spammed is because a) agencies are trying to secure an interview before they have a candidate; b) they are trying to convince you to use their offshore teams. Ask around inside your company if any offers from offshore providers have been submitted/talks are being conducted. DDoS-ing hiring funnels is a way to convince you that "no good people are available".

Intriguing... Any other info you can provide on this, sources, articles, etc?

This is based on my own experience and conversations with hiring managers and recruiter over the last two years. I have also been involved in screening CVs. It's impossible to keep up with the flood of fake CVs.

Re: Looking for work is a full time job

#47

Post by surfingdino »

graemep wrote: post #23
surfingdino wrote: post #14

FYI: It takes between 3-12 months to find a contract in the UK in the IT space now.

In the UK. Freelance. A major client put their project on hold and (looking to fill gap) its been a long time since I saw so few opportunities for things I used to find it easy to get work in (e.g. Django, which can be boring but has always been solid bread and butter).

It started in 2019 with the introduction of IR35 legislation. HMRC scared the living daylights out of clients using contractors, they even went after the government contractors. That opened the market to umbrella companies and large consultancies who switched paperwork, lowered rates, then shipped roles offshore.

Re: Looking for work is a full time job

#48

Post by codalan »

Dallas_B wrote: post #2

For anyone currently stuck in the grind of endlessly applying for jobs, I completely understand your frustration. I’ve been job hunting for the past three months, and it’s been painfully repetitive and time-consuming. Applying via LinkedIn often feels like throwing your resume into a sea of 1,000+ other applicants, even with daily alerts turned on. What worked better for me was following founders, recruiters, and oth…

Should this be under Show HN?

https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html

Re: Looking for work is a full time job

#49

Post by hansumfarang »

donatj wrote: post #26

I still have nightmares about going back to the getting my foot in the door stage. I was fresh out of college, and over the next six months I sent hundreds of applications and did tens of interviews. This was 2006 so the landscape was a little different. I had less direct competition here, but outsourcing was in full swing. I had actually been advised by my high school's consoler not to go into programming because "a…

Crazy, I got hired at the same time directly out of high school from my first job application. Just a casual interview with the startup founder (yes I had a code to show/a portfolio) and that was it. The only job placement help I got was the school counselor threatening that I'd be the "smartest guy in [my] gang" (in all fairness to her, I had been a smart guy in a gang).

People and their life histories are incredibly different!

Re: Looking for work is a full time job

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Post by username135 »

surfingdino wrote: post #46
username135 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intriguing... Any other info you can provide on this, sources, articles, etc?

This is based on my own experience and conversations with hiring managers and recruiter over the last two years. I have also been involved in screening CVs. It's impossible to keep up with the flood of fake CVs.

Its perfectly nefarious! Was just wondering if there was anything written about it yet. Thanks!
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