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I'm surprised folks on Hackernews are always critical of V1s.

In 18 month, apps will have APIs for "agentic browsing" ™OoTheNigerian ;)

And you will not need to give anything control over your browser. I you will merely connect your app to OpenAI or any other client.

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I saw a lot of work towards this pre-LLM. Lots and lots.

While it was scaling, someone(s?) smart went and did a UXR study.

Turned out even if you had a 100% success rate (i.e. human on other end), it's dreadfully boring watching someone else use your computer, you can't touch it while they are, and you'd rather just do it yourself

Now throw in the actual latency, the actual error rate, the cost...I am very comfortable saying this is a waste of time, product-wise.

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Waiting for the "OpenAI has no moat" crowd to chime in while they keep releasing new features and dominating market share. (And yeah, they just got half a trillion ). Edit: Downvote all you want, reality won't change. Oh, what happened with "Scarlett Johansson will take down OpenAI because she invented speaking like a woman", literally nothing. What about "AI will never replace Hollywood actors". What about that time…

I thought it was a general fund for ai related stuff. Was this all for a single company?

It's for OpenAI.

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post #31

I don't know why, but the approach where "agents" accomplish things by using a mouse and keyboard and looking at pixels always seemed off to me. I understand that in theory it's more flexible, but I always imagined some sort of standard, where apps and services can expose a set of pre-approved actions on the user's behalf. And the user can add/revoke privileges from agents at any point. Kind of like OAuth scopes. Ima…

If there are pre-approved standardized actions, it would be just be a plain old API; it would not be AGI. It's clear the AI companies are aiming for general computer use, not just coding against pre-approved APIs.

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#46

I'm surprised folks on Hackernews are always critical of V1s. In 18 month, apps will have APIs for "agentic browsing" ™OoTheNigerian ;) And you will not need to give anything control over your browser. I you will merely connect your app to OpenAI or any other client.

OpenAI is a $50B company that should be releasing serious products, the "scrappy hacker releasing a beta product that doesn't do much" as a defense doesn't apply.

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is to move beyond APIs. Being able to perform actions on a site, with the ability to perform the task successfully even if the site slightly changes under the hood, is a lot less brittle than interacting with an API.

That's sounds significantly more brittle than a well defined API to me, especially given the prevalence of CAPTCHAs and other anti-bot heuristics.

Agreed. Now you're throwing in a presentation layer to wrangle with, and that presentation layer is HTML/CSS/JS, which is the thorniest presentation layer out there.

Or, HTTP POST.

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post #31

I don't know why, but the approach where "agents" accomplish things by using a mouse and keyboard and looking at pixels always seemed off to me. I understand that in theory it's more flexible, but I always imagined some sort of standard, where apps and services can expose a set of pre-approved actions on the user's behalf. And the user can add/revoke privileges from agents at any point. Kind of like OAuth scopes. Ima…

The mouse and keyboard are definitely dying (very slowly) for everyday computing use.

And this kind of seems like an assistant for those.

ChatGPT voice and real-time video is really a beautiful computing experience. Same with Meta Ray Bans AI (if it could level up the real-time).

I'd like just a bulleted list of chats that I can ask it to do stuff and come back to vs watching it click things. E.g.: Setup my Whole Foods cart for the week again please.

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post #31

I don't know why, but the approach where "agents" accomplish things by using a mouse and keyboard and looking at pixels always seemed off to me. I understand that in theory it's more flexible, but I always imagined some sort of standard, where apps and services can expose a set of pre-approved actions on the user's behalf. And the user can add/revoke privileges from agents at any point. Kind of like OAuth scopes. Ima…

> But probably more difficult to get app developers on board.

That's it. The problem is getting Postmates to agree to give away control of their UI. Giving away their ability to upsell you and push whatever makes them more money. Its never going to happen. Netflix still isn't integrated with Apple TV properly because they don't want to give away that access.

I'm not convinced this is the path forward for computers either though.

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