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Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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I think he makes a good point about immigration. Immigration is not going to save Germany, because Germany is not an attractive destination. The only people who move to Germany are the ones who failed to get a VISA from an English speaking country, and even those will leave as soon as they gain enough experience to reapply for a VISA. The only way forward is for Germany to really invest in its own population and to r…

What do you mean with "not attractive destination"?

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post #4

The issue in Germany is that most companies don't take software seriously. They often outsource their software to freelancers or establish offshore offices in EU countries that pay less for software engineers compared to Germany or simply hire agencies. For instance, consider Volkswagen’s struggles with its EV transition. Despite this, they ultimately decided to invest in Rivian to leverage their software. To create…

I would throw https://www.ableton.com/ into the ring, too. It's small, but absolute on par quality.

Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

#43

I think he makes a good point about immigration. Immigration is not going to save Germany, because Germany is not an attractive destination. The only people who move to Germany are the ones who failed to get a VISA from an English speaking country, and even those will leave as soon as they gain enough experience to reapply for a VISA. The only way forward is for Germany to really invest in its own population and to r…

I disagree. The main downside of moving to Germany - or any other EU country except Ireland - is the need to learn German (or French etc) if you want to fully participate in daily life. Other than that, the quality of life is better compared to USA. Example: EU Bluecard better than H1B and Greencard, health care, public safety, public transportation, walkable cities,... even now, I would recommend Berlin over San Fransciso - especially if you plan to start a family.

If there would be a magic pill that enabled anyone to learn a new language instantly, that would be the end of the US and UK as major immigration destinations.

Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

#44

I think he makes a good point about immigration. Immigration is not going to save Germany, because Germany is not an attractive destination. The only people who move to Germany are the ones who failed to get a VISA from an English speaking country, and even those will leave as soon as they gain enough experience to reapply for a VISA. The only way forward is for Germany to really invest in its own population and to r…

Even a failed project generates high profile jobs for the duration. Which still could be years. As I understand it, the government isn't lacking profit, just opportunities for people.

Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

#45

General purpose robots don’t make sense - humans are infinitely better for this purpose and way cheaper to produce. Sure the robots could do very dangerous or tedious work that would be “inhuman”, but I would argue that for this kind of work a specialised robot will always be more efficient and way cheaper to produce. Apart from how science fiction this all is - we can’t even produce a general purpose robot don’t mak…

> humans are infinitely better for this purpose and way cheaper to produce.

Most of the western world is having demographic issues. We are having trouble getting people to reproduce in sufficient numbers to keep our societies going. This is an ugly trajectory to be on because you have an increasingly big group of old people who need to be supported by an increasingly small number of young people.

Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

#46
post #36

>What many people don't know: The current boom in "Generative AI" using artificial neural networks has its roots in the early nineties at the Technical University of Munich, especially the "G" and the "P" and the "T" in "ChatGPT." At that time, we published "Artificial Curiosity" through what's now called "Generative Adversarial Networks" (1990, now widely used), You_again with this_again

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Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

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post #30

There will be no all-purpose robots in Germany. Lilium and Volocopter stories (both VTOL aircraft startups who run out of money) show how innovation works in Germany. Getting early stage hardware startup funded in Germany is absolutely mission impossible. Where the company in US would be raising series B round… the same company in Germany would get 50000€ from couple angel investors for 30% shares. Another source of…

It is true that Germany (and Europe as a whole) suffers from a less than ideal investment and innovation landscape. The companies you mentioned, however, worked on products that barely make any sense. It is clear that those kinds of companies will not (and should not) survive outside of 0% interest paradigms.

Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

#48
post #4

The issue in Germany is that most companies don't take software seriously. They often outsource their software to freelancers or establish offshore offices in EU countries that pay less for software engineers compared to Germany or simply hire agencies. For instance, consider Volkswagen’s struggles with its EV transition. Despite this, they ultimately decided to invest in Rivian to leverage their software. To create…

I would throw https://www.ableton.com/ into the ring, too. It's small, but absolute on par quality.

Yup, they are good. Personal experience. They are also not the only ones.

Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

#49
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The good thing about general purpose robots is that solves the aging population issue without having to resort to migration.

“Good thing”? Some people would rather invest (waste) trillions of euros and decades of research rather than accepting all humans are equal. SMH

When the cultures and worldviews are too different the integration hassles are not worth it.

Re: Jürgen Schmidhuber – Can All-Purpose Robots Fuel a Comeback?

#50

The basic problem is obvious, no company in Germany would pay a fresh PhD more than 150k, even 100k would be extremely. So AI talent leaves. But this is not the whole story, the bureaucracy, regulation and so on are insane. Then you have high taxes, and especially everyone wants to tax the rich. The rich are too rich in Germany. So why should Germany try to make them richer lol?

This is like poor fighting each other with batons in the mud. The "German rich" fiscally are residents of Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, with some Dutch and Swiss plot twists. No rich has been bred from German fiscal reality in the recent decades.

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