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Falcon 9 Rocket Launch Scrubbed After Delta Air Flies into Restricted Airspace

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Re: Falcon 9 Rocket Launch Scrubbed After Delta Air Flies into Restricted Airspace

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> Delta: "The Delta crew on flight 480 continues to follow ATC instruction along its journey from Los Angeles (LAX) to Honolulu (HNL). The flight is en route to HNL with no issue.” Apparently ATC (Air Traffic Control) was unaware of the TRF (Temporary Flight Restriction) around Vandenburg for launches. Perhaps this will prompt an improvement in communication and cooperation in future.

I wonder if ATC gets a number to call.

Lmao

Re: Falcon 9 Rocket Launch Scrubbed After Delta Air Flies into Restricted Airspace

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In this case, DAL neither did anything wrong nor bears any responsibility. They were being controlled by ATC, ATC told them where to fly. ATC erred.

If ATC put them straight into a Mountain, would it be correct to dutifully fly into it, or would that be an error on the pilot side? My understanding is that Pilots are also required to review NOTAMs. There are tons of systems and operations with redundancy built in. An error in the primary does not negate an error in the backup. In fact, it is often the only way you learn of errors with the backup.

ATC instruction can be countermanded in the event of gross error or emergency.

That said, ATC instructions are to be followed promptly in the absence of such factors. You don’t get to wait and check hundreds of possible minor and irrelevant NOTAMs to find the before following through on their instruction, on the off chance they’ve completely screwed the pooch and are sending you through a TFR.

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He’s an awkward autistic guy. He does awkward stuff. That’s not him being a Nazi.

I reviewed the video, and there’s not very much ambiguity. He pretty clearly deliberately does a Nazi salute, twice.

I think what he was awkwardly going for was “I’m giving my heart to the crowd.” He should have thought about how it would look though.

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I reviewed the video, and there’s not very much ambiguity. He pretty clearly deliberately does a Nazi salute, twice.

I think what he was awkwardly going for was “I’m giving my heart to the crowd.” He should have thought about how it would look though.

Why should you or I give the benefit of the doubt to somehow who has been explicitly flirting with white supremacy in his tweets for months?

He gave a Nazi salute. He intended it.

If anyone doubts that, try to do the exact same movement at work this week and attempt to explain to HR you were just showing your love by reaching out your hand from your heart.

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The Dutch influence goes far!

Perhaps, but `burg` and `berg` have two different meanings in German as well, so perhaps that is where the noise comes from.

Some of the noise is also there in German, cf https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergfried (the English page has the same name, but does not mention Burgfried). Just an example, could be very well unrelated.

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I think what he was awkwardly going for was “I’m giving my heart to the crowd.” He should have thought about how it would look though.

Why should you or I give the benefit of the doubt to somehow who has been explicitly flirting with white supremacy in his tweets for months? He gave a Nazi salute. He intended it. If anyone doubts that, try to do the exact same movement at work this week and attempt to explain to HR you were just showing your love by reaching out your hand from your heart.

> explicitly flirting with white supremacy in his tweets for months

Citation needed. People vilify him not because he’s a Nazi or a white supremacist (he isn’t), but because he supports Trump. He gets the benefit of the doubt because he’s an awkward guy, doing awkward shit.

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Why should you or I give the benefit of the doubt to somehow who has been explicitly flirting with white supremacy in his tweets for months? He gave a Nazi salute. He intended it. If anyone doubts that, try to do the exact same movement at work this week and attempt to explain to HR you were just showing your love by reaching out your hand from your heart.

> explicitly flirting with white supremacy in his tweets for months Citation needed. People vilify him not because he’s a Nazi or a white supremacist (he isn’t), but because he supports Trump. He gets the benefit of the doubt because he’s an awkward guy, doing awkward shit.

He braces himself, makes an aggressive facial expression and stiffens his arm (not a thank you loving face), his palm facing down, elbow stiff, fingers locked together (not how one throws their heart), does it a second time, then comments that 'the future of civilization is assured'. Go Google images and look from multiple angles. Of BOTH salutes. Try not to puke at the smiles/cheers in the crowd. Subtle Elon used the Fraktur font on his MAGA hat. Elon supports the AFD. Elon intentionally does a Nazi salute twice. Elon likes/responds possitively to Nazi's and white supremacists on X. Elon talks about 'declining birth rates and immigration policies' as closely as he can get away with to 'race replacement theory'.

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Why should you or I give the benefit of the doubt to somehow who has been explicitly flirting with white supremacy in his tweets for months? He gave a Nazi salute. He intended it. If anyone doubts that, try to do the exact same movement at work this week and attempt to explain to HR you were just showing your love by reaching out your hand from your heart.

> explicitly flirting with white supremacy in his tweets for months Citation needed. People vilify him not because he’s a Nazi or a white supremacist (he isn’t), but because he supports Trump. He gets the benefit of the doubt because he’s an awkward guy, doing awkward shit.

It’s pretty easy to Google Elon Musk and white supremacy.

I did so, here’s two sources: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/15/media/elon-musk-antisemit...

https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/16/23964160/elon-musk-antis...

Beyond that, there are dozens of incidents where he will retweet blatantly obvious Great Replacement Theory, etc with “interesting”. And replatforming known neo-Nazis like Nick Fuentes.

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Please don't post about things you don't know anything about. The internet is muddled enough as it is.

Um, akshually, I do know about this. I've launched balloons to 100,000', and part of the proper procedure for doing this is to notify ATC. Depending on the type of balloon and equipment, you might have to contact them multiple times during the course of the balloon's flight. At a minimum, it is at launch and once you have it on the ground again. I had to notify when our balloon was above controlled air space on ascen…

Okay, but we're talking about flying airplanes. Literally everyone who has ever even remotely looked into flying airplanes in America will know that ATC asking you to copy down a number means "you messed up big time and are going to get lectured, chewed out, or worse".

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> explicitly flirting with white supremacy in his tweets for months Citation needed. People vilify him not because he’s a Nazi or a white supremacist (he isn’t), but because he supports Trump. He gets the benefit of the doubt because he’s an awkward guy, doing awkward shit.

He braces himself, makes an aggressive facial expression and stiffens his arm (not a thank you loving face), his palm facing down, elbow stiff, fingers locked together (not how one throws their heart), does it a second time, then comments that 'the future of civilization is assured'. Go Google images and look from multiple angles. Of BOTH salutes. Try not to puke at the smiles/cheers in the crowd. Subtle Elon used th…

The anti-defamation league agrees with me. Take that however you want.
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