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Frustration Tolerance: An Essential for Surviving Large Orgs

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Re: Frustration Tolerance: An Essential for Surviving Large Orgs

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post #7

As it turns out my frustration tolerance is very low...I decided to check out of this rotten system and go my own way a few months ago. My stress levels plummeted since.

Good for you, but what do you do now?

i started trading. spent 6 months learning it though

Re: Frustration Tolerance: An Essential for Surviving Large Orgs

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post #41

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Good for you, but what do you do now?

i started trading. spent 6 months learning it though

That's the way. I did it for a few years, both manually and algorithmically, but am back at a job for now.

Re: Frustration Tolerance: An Essential for Surviving Large Orgs

#43
post #38

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And dealing with boredom is something nobody learns how to do anymore. We have constant entertainment in our pockets with mobile phones, social media, and streaming. When I go to the gym I sit in the sauna for 30 minutes just doing... nothing. Just sitting. No earbuds, no phone in hand. I'm usually the only one like this. I get asked how I can stand it. It's just normal to me. I think about stuff I need to do. I map…

People are bringing their phones into the sauna?

In the US, yes. I've seen this more than once, but the worst instance was a guy who came into the sauna with all of his gym clothes on, also looking at his phone. You can't make this stuff up.

Re: Frustration Tolerance: An Essential for Surviving Large Orgs

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post #5
post #2

Having an organisation of highly-frustration-tollerant people is a great way of getting an organisation where nothing ever gets fixed.

TFA doesn't say that "frustration tolerant" people tolerate problems , but that they tolerate frustration as they fix those problems "without succumbing to negative emotions or counterproductive behaviors". I was far more frustration intolerant earlier in my career, part of which I can now attribute to undiagnosed AuDHD. Although I can't say that I've mastered frustration tolerance, I've learned to moderate it to the…

What the article fails to mention is that only in organizations of a certain complexity and dysfunction can the result of high frustration tolerance be referred to as progress.

The real key to success in complicated org is not just dealing effectively with frustration, but the ability to realize what the stakes really are in a complex organization. I've seen people promoted to the stratosphere not for successfully completing a project, but for keeping the wheels on the bus in spite of what happened to the project. This can at times involve repeatedly and energetically referring to failure as success.

Re: Frustration Tolerance: An Essential for Surviving Large Orgs

#45

"I learned that the world of men as it exists today is a bureaucracy. This is an obvious truth, of course, though it is also one the ignorance of which causes great suffering. “But moreover, I discovered, in the only way that a man ever really learns anything important, the real skill that is required to succeed in a bureaucracy. I mean really succeed: do good, make a difference, serve. I discovered the key. This key…

I know DFW was, to say the least, a smart guy, but this book just oozes the essence of his depressive mentality - I could not get through it. Further I have a hard time accepting any insights derived from such a melancholic mind.

Zoo monkeys are bored too. Is that because they're too stupid to be "un-borable" or is it because they're trapped forever in a tiny boring cage?

Re: Frustration Tolerance: An Essential for Surviving Large Orgs

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Yeah... same. Power to those who can function in highly frustrating environments, but for me the only winning move is to not play the game in the first place.

So what's the alternative?

Being an expensive freelance dev/consultant that gets flown in to solve actual "our shits on fire plz help" problems, instead of an underutilized "human resource" that noone listens to unless you repeat your message 1000 times.

Re: Frustration Tolerance: An Essential for Surviving Large Orgs

#47
post #8

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That phrase resonated with me. Do you not get burnout when you spend too much time in a busy city? God forbid you'd have to navigate one 8-5 every weekday.

It's important to realize that busy cities (and large organizations) are the way they are because many people can tolerate them and some people thrive in them. (Nothing wrong with deciding you personally can't, or just that you don't want to.)

It's also important to realize there are organizations where no one thrives but everyone stays because they have to.

Re: Frustration Tolerance: An Essential for Surviving Large Orgs

#48

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So what's the alternative?

Being an expensive freelance dev/consultant that gets flown in to solve actual "our shits on fire plz help" problems, instead of an underutilized "human resource" that noone listens to unless you repeat your message 1000 times.

How does one even reliably find work as an expensive consultant?

Re: Frustration Tolerance: An Essential for Surviving Large Orgs

#49
post #30

Why does reading this make me think of the book “who moved my cheese”, that was handed out at many large 2000’s ish companies a quarter or two before layoffs started?

Because it too reads as motivated reasoning from management to encourage workers to stop complaining, asking for things, and changing jobs and instead just work harder.

Re: Frustration Tolerance: An Essential for Surviving Large Orgs

#50

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So what's the alternative?

Being an expensive freelance dev/consultant that gets flown in to solve actual "our shits on fire plz help" problems, instead of an underutilized "human resource" that noone listens to unless you repeat your message 1000 times.

Putting out other people’s fires seems extremely frustrating.
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