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What I wish I knew before I quit my job

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Re: What I wish I knew before I quit my job

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I love your work Michael Drogalis, I remember when you made onyx (didn't it start with a different name?) in clojure! I still to this day suck at clojure and never managed to get a job to work with in and I'm stuck doing Ruby, how about that! Have been following your journey and hope you are successful on it. At least in term of a software developer I'm sure you are best class :-) Taking the plunge is very difficult,…

Hey there, thanks so much for the kind words. :)

Re: What I wish I knew before I quit my job

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I always fantasize about leaving this job and creating my own business, even if it is "just" consulting or contracting rather than a project / product. But it seems super scary and I struggle to find any information on how to even sell stuff. So at the end I just convince myself once more how great I have it with my stable income.

Author here. It's scary for everyone at first!

I have a couple of newsletters about selling, of which this is probably my favorite: https://michaeldrogalis.substack.com/p/week-13-what-i-learne...

Happy to answer any other questions that come to mind.

Re: What I wish I knew before I quit my job

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Quit his job to start a company. Probably different from quitting with the intent to look for another job, or take a break, or retire.

Yes, this is "what I wish I knew before starting my first startup". Which is an interesting topic, but very different from just "quitting my job and going back to interviewing", which is its own thing. I need a stable job (so no startups for me), but I've come to dread interviewing. It's not lack of experience (either job or interviewing), I'm experienced -- and my experience tells me they are dreadful. I might be un…

I hate the whole interviewing process so much, that I have sat on the one and only job I have had since I graduated university. It's been 8.5 years now, and still counting.

Do I want to leave now? Sure, but the amount of effort and motivation required is insurmountable. At least, for me. I've never been a type-A kind of person, and I sometimes envy those that are. I just wish "career trajectory" and fancy titles actually meant something to me, but I couldn't care less. I found no glory in this field, but rather ways to placate one's ego.

Re: What I wish I knew before I quit my job

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What level of proof do you demand to show something happens sometimes? Because you keep changing it to strawman like 'common.' And to be clear, unless it is zero, you've not applied same to your misanthropic claim.

Misanthropic is not a claim I'm making based upon data. It's not possible to validate independently, but a judgment by myself. Your claim sounds misanthropic to me - it sounds like, if we are high earners, we should distrust our spouses because they are just out for our money and will demand we work miserable jobs to make sure they have enough, and if we don't they'll divorce it and demand the money of us. That's ble…

Alright I will switch to easily proven facts. Child support and alimony are usually based on imputed income, meaning what a judge thinks you can earn. Voluntarily taking lower pay is strong evidence you could earn higher.

Finance linked divorce is common, support is common, and throwing people in a tiny cage for not coming up with a fraction of imputed income sometimes happens. We can squabble over why it happens, but when you are locked in a cage after taking a lower stress job the reason may not matter, and the fact I could be wrong about motivations will not get these people out of jail.

Re: What I wish I knew before I quit my job

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I love a good 'I quit my job to start my own business' story, but this one doesn't have much detail. Fair, everything is not written for me or this audience, but would love to know more about the particulars.

Hey, author here. I write a short weekly blurb (like this one) about how my startup is going. The origin story starts here: https://michaeldrogalis.substack.com/p/im-launching-4-startu... Let me know if you're wondering about any topics in particular and I can dig up the right week's links.

Thanks!

Re: What I wish I knew before I quit my job

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Misanthropic is not a claim I'm making based upon data. It's not possible to validate independently, but a judgment by myself. Your claim sounds misanthropic to me - it sounds like, if we are high earners, we should distrust our spouses because they are just out for our money and will demand we work miserable jobs to make sure they have enough, and if we don't they'll divorce it and demand the money of us. That's ble…

Alright I will switch to easily proven facts. Child support and alimony are usually based on imputed income, meaning what a judge thinks you can earn. Voluntarily taking lower pay is strong evidence you could earn higher. Finance linked divorce is common, support is common, and throwing people in a tiny cage for not coming up with a fraction of imputed income sometimes happens. We can squabble over why it happens, bu…

Sure, and that's why I feel it's a misanthropic take.

Re: What I wish I knew before I quit my job

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Quitting to quit working is a different feeling. You may spend time in the first month untangling your role and your ego. I had no idea how important the status was to me until I was just a guy, at home, that no one needed. It was a valuable lesson about self worth, and one that stayed around after I rejoined the work force.

"Untangling your ego" - Thank you for verbalizing that. I've not been working for almost 2 months now, and there has definitely been a process of disconnecting from who I was when working to who I am when I am mostly free to do whatever I want for a few months/years. I've been trying to express to other people who have lost jobs that this is the positive side of it: Letting go of it all, thinking about who you really…

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Re: What I wish I knew before I quit my job

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Quitting to quit working is a different feeling. You may spend time in the first month untangling your role and your ego. I had no idea how important the status was to me until I was just a guy, at home, that no one needed. It was a valuable lesson about self worth, and one that stayed around after I rejoined the work force.

>I had no idea how important the status was to me until I was just a guy, at home, that no one needed. Interesting, considering that every company goes to great lengths to let everyone know they are easily replaceable and not needed.

I'd say that's a bit nihilist. There are certainly companies I've worked for (and now work for) where there is genuine care for the individual baked into the culture, though it does tend to scale inversely with size.

Re: What I wish I knew before I quit my job

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Quitting to quit working is a different feeling. You may spend time in the first month untangling your role and your ego. I had no idea how important the status was to me until I was just a guy, at home, that no one needed. It was a valuable lesson about self worth, and one that stayed around after I rejoined the work force.

"Untangling your ego" - Thank you for verbalizing that. I've not been working for almost 2 months now, and there has definitely been a process of disconnecting from who I was when working to who I am when I am mostly free to do whatever I want for a few months/years. I've been trying to express to other people who have lost jobs that this is the positive side of it: Letting go of it all, thinking about who you really…

It was an important lesson for me to learn. I read "Ego is the Enemy" by Ryan Holiday, which covered a lot of these thoughts, and helped me understand why I worked.

What happened later was also interesting. I rejoined the workforce, matched and then quickly surpassed the level I'd left, and did in part because I'd decided to be who I wanted to be instead of what I thought the role dictated I should be.

Re: What I wish I knew before I quit my job

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Quitting to quit working is a different feeling. You may spend time in the first month untangling your role and your ego. I had no idea how important the status was to me until I was just a guy, at home, that no one needed. It was a valuable lesson about self worth, and one that stayed around after I rejoined the work force.

your employer doesn't need you ... or did the company go broke after you left? your employer uses you. big difference. your parents, your friends, your siblings, your pets need you. think about it.

The role parent comment is talking about isn't necessarily tied to an employer. They can be built of external expectations on e.g. what your career path and role should be.
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