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Can't say I understand how $10/month is expensive. Quality search results ultimately save time digging through poor quality search results. Add up 300+ searches per month and surely you're hitting minimum wage value at least. The value proposition is absolutely there at $10.
Value proposition should be compared to the low cost alternative. Is it $10 better than Google? Maybe, I am not sure.
I’d happily pay for it if they stopped doing AI bullshit. That I won’t pay for.
Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…
A lot of people laugh at thinking $10 (USD) pm is expensive, of course it's not huge money for most people. The problem is Kagi is a kind of "vote" towards moving the internet away from the ad-supported crapware trying to spy on your every click and capture your attention non-stop. If you're trying to replace a lot of free services with paid services to cast said vote towards shaping the web into what it should be, these costs really add up.
After paying for search, email, supporting a creator or two (e.g. a podcast), and some software here or there, you can easily end up in the hundreds of dollars, then you look back and notice that at best you've saved yourself from a few annoying ads and maybe gotten a fractionally better service and at worst your experience is unchanged and you're just deriving some intangible satisfaction from having not been spied on (which at the individual level doesn't make much difference unless millions of people follow your lead) or supporting a creator you admire.
It's tough.
I've used 0 "AI Tokens" for the entire period. (I've never found much use for their FastGPT or Universal summarizer, but I am already a heavy Claude, ChatGPT, and w/ Gemini 2.0 models, AI Studio user now). I was also subscribed to Perplexity Pro at a $10/mo introductory rate this past year, and while I enjoyed it when I used it, I found its utility somewhat situational and didn't renew at $200/y - I use Claude, ChatGPT, and AI Studio now w/ the Gemini 2.0 models extensively, and when I want search result analysis, I think both of the latter now fill that niche pretty well. I just saw thanks to this thread that Kagi's "Ultimate" tier has access to their new "Assistant" product, which looks pretty well thought out, so I'll be giving it a spin (they should probably give like once a day trial access or something if they're looking to grow it, most people probably wouldn't put down $25 sight unseen): https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/assistant.html
Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…
Can't say I understand how $10/month is expensive. Quality search results ultimately save time digging through poor quality search results. Add up 300+ searches per month and surely you're hitting minimum wage value at least. The value proposition is absolutely there at $10.
I'd pay $10 in a heartbeat if Kagi reliably used all my search keywords. But they don't, and I don't understand it. Just use all my words except stop words. I took the trouble to type them in. I don't care if your coverage isn't as good as Google in its heyday. "0 search results" should be a mark of pride now.
I think their focus should be to reduce resource usage on their side and make servers cheaper to run. Not other shenanigans like t-shirt or FastGPT or whatever. They can then offer a more attractive price for general public, who has never paid for search before and gets caught in the headlights when they hear you pay. Because right now, they don’t even have 40k users and if it goes on with this tempo, while also burning their resources for AI-things, I am afraid they will not stay much longer. Don‘t get me wrong, I am okay with the 10$ I pay, but, come on… who needs a t-shirt of a search engine and two different AI-thingy?!
I’d happily pay for it if they stopped doing AI bullshit. That I won’t pay for.
Long time Kagi subscriber here. I think their focus should be to reduce resource usage on their side and make servers cheaper to run. Not other shenanigans like t-shirt or FastGPT or whatever. They can then offer a more attractive price for general public, who has never paid for search before and gets caught in the headlights when they hear you pay. Because right now, they don’t even have 40k users and if it goes on…
I'd like for them to expose their result cache. Lately I've hit a run of pages that have updated my result away. I have a result-blurb with the search result; I could use what comes before and after it.
I'd pay $10 in a heartbeat if Kagi reliably used all my search keywords. But they don't, and I don't understand it. Just use all my words except stop words. I took the trouble to type them in. I don't care if your coverage isn't as good as Google in its heyday. "0 search results" should be a mark of pride now.
It’s the same for regional searches. Used to be (until Dec 2023) I could search for an ambiguous term (e.g. a product name that’s the same in English and German) with "!de" for German regional search and get German results. Now that’s impossible as most results will be the same English pages I’d get with my normal international or US region.
Overall just not a fan of the direction they are moving in (which seems to be DDG with personalization and no ads, but no more expert search)