I like congestion pricing because it keeps poor people off the road so the middle can commute faster /sarcasm
> it keeps poor people off the road so the middle can commute faster
Poor people aren’t commuting into lower Manhattan by car.
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Driving and parking in NYC is already a luxury, there’s no poor person driving and parking there.
There are like 400 housing developments in NYC for lower income folks. Saying that lower income folks don't drive in NYC is bananas.
> There are like 400 housing developments in NYC for lower income folks. Saying that lower income folks don't drive in NYC is bananas.
They’re not paying this.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Driving and parking in NYC is already a luxury, there’s no poor person driving and parking there.
There are like 400 housing developments in NYC for lower income folks. Saying that lower income folks don't drive in NYC is bananas.
Yes, living in NYC = driving in NYC
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#44Someone gets shot outside a hotel, but damn it if we won’t figure out how to charge people more money.
There probably isn't a public street in America that could prevent a random assassination. If the guy got shot visiting relatives in Park City, would you suggest that any contemporary public policy in Utah was bad?
I’d suggest not taxing the people of a city if they can’t be kept safe first.
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#45I'm incredibly hopeful that NYC congestion pricing pays off in a big way - and that we start to see it in other cities across America. I really, really want congestion pricing in downtown SF. During rush hour, cars block the box and slow down busses, with cascading effects.
What I'm curious about is if business in the Manhattan will be lessened as a result of less people there. I know the goal is less cars, rather than less people, but I want to see if that's actually what will happen.
As someone who doesn't live in Manhattan I wish there was a better way to go basically anywhere in New York without entering Manhattan. Every single road, bus, and subway goes through this super dense area.
Like why do I need to go through Manhattan to get from Newark Airport to Flatbush? (Unless I have a car, then I can go over the Verazzano, but in a bus/subway/train? It's all via Manhattan.
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#46I happened to be living in London when congestion pricing was brought in and the difference on day 1 in the West End was like night and day. I believe it's never gone back to the pre-congestion pricing levels. I fully expect similar in Manhattan. The social media response has been particularly interesting. Predictably, there are a lot of non-NYCers who simply object to the slightest inconvenience to driving in any fo…
>Another complaint: drivers are paying for the roads. This is untrue anywhere in the US. Drivers only partially subsidize roads everywhere.
I agree with pretty much everything else you wrote, but this it needs to be noted that most road damage is done by weather and heavyweight vehicles like semis/trash/buses/delivery vehicles etc., not regular passenger vehicles.
Semis et al. definitely do not pay taxes proportionate with the damage they cause to the roads, but then again we all need them even if we don't drive.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Driving and parking in NYC is already a luxury, there’s no poor person driving and parking there.
There are like 400 housing developments in NYC for lower income folks. Saying that lower income folks don't drive in NYC is bananas.
> 400 housing developments in NYC for lower income folks. Saying that lower income folks don't drive in NYC is bananas
The only people in the projects who have a car work in the trades. They’re largely not paying this charge and/or adding it as a line item to their customers’ bills. A car in Manhattan is an absolute luxury.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
There probably isn't a public street in America that could prevent a random assassination. If the guy got shot visiting relatives in Park City, would you suggest that any contemporary public policy in Utah was bad?
I’d suggest not taxing the people of a city if they can’t be kept safe first.
New Yorkers, and Manhattanites in particular, live longer than most of the world. This is due to mass transit, public healthcare and being phenomenally rich.
Would also note that the shooter you’re referring to crossed into Manhattan with a gun purchased in another jurisdiction. This is a problem of other areas’ lawlessness crossing into New York as much as it’s a fantasy about cops being expected to thwart an active shooter on the spot.
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#50I'm incredibly hopeful that NYC congestion pricing pays off in a big way - and that we start to see it in other cities across America. I really, really want congestion pricing in downtown SF. During rush hour, cars block the box and slow down busses, with cascading effects.
While I agree with disliking the things you mentioned, could it be argued that adding barriers to entry for getting into the city will just increase WFH and hurt SF more? I can see a lot of people choosing to just stay home rather than take a bus – not everyone is close to MUNI or BART.
Reducing the number of daily commuters isn't going to "hurt" the city. Quite the opposite in fact. Actual residents make the city what it is, and reducing traffic/congestion/honking/pollution is going to make it a much more attractive place to live.