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Dell will no longer make XPS computers

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Re: Dell will no longer make XPS computers

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Post by spogbiper »

xnx wrote: post #28
legitster wrote: post #13

I really appreciate when brands just name things like they are. Nothing is less fun than cross-shopping products and there are a bunch of arbitrary brand differences. "Precisions are their portable workstations . Latitudes are their ultrabooks. Duh! XPS is their premium consumer laptop!". Marketing departments tend to get addicted to the smell of their own farts. But I don't think consumers care about particular sub-…

Apple has its share of naming problems but not attempting to artificially split their laptop product line between consumer and "enterprise" is something they should get credit for.

naming aside, Dell (and other PC manufacturers) split enterprise from consumer for a number of reasons that make sense to me. the two markets have different requirements. enterprise needs a different OS license for one. Buying a fleet of X hundred or thousand devices vs one PC introduces concerns and requirements that home users just don't have and shouldn't pay for imho.

Re: Dell will no longer make XPS computers

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Post by Retr0id »

0x457 wrote: post #32
crooked-v wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it funny how much they've just completely ceded branding standards to Apple in that move.

Because it's just simple and makes sense. Mostly, the only confusing apple product is iPad Air because it doesn't match what Air means in MacBooks.

> doesn't match what Air means in MacBooks

In the past I'd agree but these days it's better aligned.

Re: Dell will no longer make XPS computers

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Post by wmf »

0x457 wrote: post #32
crooked-v wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it funny how much they've just completely ceded branding standards to Apple in that move.

Because it's just simple and makes sense. Mostly, the only confusing apple product is iPad Air because it doesn't match what Air means in MacBooks.

Isn't the Air the lightest and thinnest?

Re: Dell will no longer make XPS computers

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Post by diffeomorphism »

razakel wrote: post #27
legitster wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

XPS was never their professional product line. Latitudes were their workplace fleet devices that mostly went head to head with ThinkPads. This is probably good evidence that they needed to simplify their branding. Having their halo consumer product compete for market mindshare against their professional products is counterproductive. Especially when everyone wants to cross shop against MacBooks. In contrast, ThinkPad…

Inspiron is their consumer line, Latitude their business line, Precision their pro line, Alienware their gaming line, so what exactly was XPS meant to be? Their fashion line?

Their consumer fashion line.

Re: Dell will no longer make XPS computers

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Post by legitster »

xnx wrote: post #28
legitster wrote: post #13

I really appreciate when brands just name things like they are. Nothing is less fun than cross-shopping products and there are a bunch of arbitrary brand differences. "Precisions are their portable workstations . Latitudes are their ultrabooks. Duh! XPS is their premium consumer laptop!". Marketing departments tend to get addicted to the smell of their own farts. But I don't think consumers care about particular sub-…

Apple has its share of naming problems but not attempting to artificially split their laptop product line between consumer and "enterprise" is something they should get credit for.

One half of their product line literally has "Professional" in the name.

Re: Dell will no longer make XPS computers

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Post by Lio »

pjmlp wrote: post #12

On a tangent, I was never able to acquire XPS with Linux, the online store for various European countries always showed it as non available.

I got an XPS 13 Developer Edition around 2019 I think.

I still have it. It was a good machine.

Most things worked correctly out of the box but occasionally WIFI didn't wake from sleep properly and the battery life was always a bit rubbish compared to any MacBook Pro.

I think that Dell have had too many models forever. Simplifying their line up is a good idea.

Re: Dell will no longer make XPS computers

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Post by ghaff »

pc86 wrote: post #39
xnx wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has its share of naming problems but not attempting to artificially split their laptop product line between consumer and "enterprise" is something they should get credit for.

I mean they do have "Air" and "Pro" monikers for the laptops, as well as a page dedicated to helping you choose which one to get - https://www.apple.com/mac/best-mac/ - so they're not using "consumer" or "enterprise" but it's still there.

Well, except it's thinnest and bigger (with probably more ports though probably still not enough).

Re: Dell will no longer make XPS computers

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Post by rs999gti »

kwanbix wrote: post #37
lizknope wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Product names make no sense. Some web sites make a "product selection tool" where you answer a bunch of questions and it tries to direct you to models that will suit your needs. I was recently buying a Seasonic power supply. What is the difference between Prime, Vertex, Focus, or Core series? Then there is Prime TX, Prime PX, Prime GX. I have no idea what all this is. I ended up just picking something in the 800W ran…

I call it the Toothpaste Dilemma: When you go to buy toothpaste, like Colgate or most brands, you're bombarded with so many options. It gets worse when you read the labels—everything seems either identical or has massive overlaps. It's frustrating and unnecessarily complicated.

> I call it the Toothpaste Dilemma

It's called Tyranny of Choice - https://longevity.stanford.edu/the-tyranny-of-choice/

> Too many options can decrease the likelihood of making any decision at all

Re: Dell will no longer make XPS computers

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Post by chrislongss »

pc86 wrote: post #39
xnx wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has its share of naming problems but not attempting to artificially split their laptop product line between consumer and "enterprise" is something they should get credit for.

I mean they do have "Air" and "Pro" monikers for the laptops, as well as a page dedicated to helping you choose which one to get - https://www.apple.com/mac/best-mac/ - so they're not using "consumer" or "enterprise" but it's still there.

With one caveat - Air is very popular in the enterprise world. It's just so much lighter! And powerful enough to handle the vast majority of non-eng tasks.
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