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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by vivekd »

newfocogi wrote: post #9

I hadn't heard that this was likely to happen. Any Canadians here able to weigh on whether this was expected or is a normal procedure for your elected officials?

This was definitely expected, people within and outside of the party have been calling for Trudeau to resign for a while and that chorus has been getting louder and picking up more prominent figures.

I suppose standard procedure in a Westminster parliament is to have a non confidence vote and an election - which is what the opposition parties said would happen when Parliament sits again. Poroguing parliament and having a leadership race is probably a way to try and avoid that or at least go into the election with a less unpopular leader.

Proguing parliament is probably the best thing for the liberal party to avoid an election with an unpopular leader. But I don't think it's good for Canada as it states down Trump's tariffs

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by ARandomerDude »

jmclnx wrote: post #12
thesh4d0w wrote: post #2

> Trudeau, who is now answering questions from reporters, said his one regret of his premiership has been his failure to introduce electoral reform. Oh please, you had lots of time to address this and instead you've just handed us to the conservatives.

I hope Canada does not go the "Trump" Route. But from people in Canada I know, they think that is distinct possibility.

The frustrations are certainly similar:

> Trudeau has faced mounting pressure to resign amid polling that showed his ruling Liberal Party was likely to be swept out of power in the next election by the opposition Conservative Party. The prime minister has also become deeply unpopular over a range of issues, including the soaring cost of living and immigration. His leadership as further thrown into question when his finance minister abruptly quit in December.

https://www.newsweek.com/justin-trudeau-resigning-support-co...

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by mardifoufs »

karmasimida wrote: post #29
LanceJones wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is "us"?

Yeah that is a good question to OP The predicted conservative win if the election happens right away, would be a landslide in every sense of that word

Would it be possible for it to not happen right away? They are in a minority government without a PM, I really wonder if there's a way the elections aren't triggered basically instantly.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by xattt »

jyscao wrote: post #3

Should've done it weeks ago. Utterly shameless.

There’s some impetus to stay on to bring some stability when Trump comes into office. A Shock Doctrine approach (new leader at the same time as the US gets one) is going to create an environment where a number of regressive policies will get pushed through.

There’s a good chance Trump will say that he endorses Pierre Pollievre in the coming months causing a number of Canadians to turn their nose at him. This is also a calculated risk.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

thesh4d0w wrote: post #16
beaned wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with no knowledge of the topic, why was electrical reform needed? Wouldn't one assume that either party motivated to do it while in power would be doing it with the goal of positively affecting the outcome for their party in the future? It would seem weird for a candidate to reform how voting works knowing it could negatively affect their side, right?

We have two left parties that votes are split across, and a single right party. This means the conservative party often ends up getting more power since they're "first past the post" even though the majority of the population may not agree with them.

So? "The rules need to be changed because the wrong people keep winning" sounds very suspicious to me.

If the situation is as you describe, what really needs to change is that the two left parties need to merge, or one of them needs to become such a marginal player that it doesn't matter. If the leaders of those parties can't or won't do that, well, then you get the situation that you have.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by jyscao »

thesh4d0w wrote: post #16
beaned wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with no knowledge of the topic, why was electrical reform needed? Wouldn't one assume that either party motivated to do it while in power would be doing it with the goal of positively affecting the outcome for their party in the future? It would seem weird for a candidate to reform how voting works knowing it could negatively affect their side, right?

We have two left parties that votes are split across, and a single right party. This means the conservative party often ends up getting more power since they're "first past the post" even though the majority of the population may not agree with them.

> and a single right party

No longer true. Canada now also has the PPC - the People's Part of Canada (see: https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/).

> even though the majority of the population may not agree with them

Well that certainly won't be true for the upcoming election.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by [deleted] »

beaned wrote: post #13
thesh4d0w wrote: post #2

> Trudeau, who is now answering questions from reporters, said his one regret of his premiership has been his failure to introduce electoral reform. Oh please, you had lots of time to address this and instead you've just handed us to the conservatives.

As someone with no knowledge of the topic, why was electrical reform needed? Wouldn't one assume that either party motivated to do it while in power would be doing it with the goal of positively affecting the outcome for their party in the future? It would seem weird for a candidate to reform how voting works knowing it could negatively affect their side, right?

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by Cumpiler69 »

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

>'The intent was not to get at the families', and when a democratic government starts a sentence that way something deeply #&$#ed up has happened."

Wait, are people that shocked that their democratic governments are wiling to act like mobsters/dictators against a minority group just to get their way and appease a majority, when the history books are full of such examples? People must have a short memory then and why history repeating itself is a fact.

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