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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by 15155 »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #15
LandR wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I'm in the UK and there are still regular late night dance / EDM nights in my city. I was at one a couple of weekends ago, 11pm - 4am. A good mix of ages too, people clearly in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. Everyone having a great time, I would guess at least 70% of the people were on something too, (MDMA, Ecstasy etc).

MDMA and Ecstasy are the same thing afaik

"Ecstasy" traditionally contains MDMA - and potentially a host of other substances - in pressed tablet form.

MDMA is typically just that one substance in crystalline powder form.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA#Forms

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by yieldcrv »

celticninja wrote: post #26
yieldcrv wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article also mentions that earlier ending events made to accommodate aging millennials have seen an unexpected and huge interest from Gen Z But yeah, the decline of the nightlife and hospitality sector is what this article is about, as the regulated rave experience is very mainstream and has been for a long time now The production value is quite high now and still improving so I don't see why the illicit rave exp…

We go for the vibe not the facilities

And more people are satisfied with the vibes at the better facilities

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by hambos22 »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #15
LandR wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I'm in the UK and there are still regular late night dance / EDM nights in my city. I was at one a couple of weekends ago, 11pm - 4am. A good mix of ages too, people clearly in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. Everyone having a great time, I would guess at least 70% of the people were on something too, (MDMA, Ecstasy etc).

MDMA and Ecstasy are the same thing afaik

In papers maybe, but in the streets, Ecstasy is the pill form of MDMA and is usually cut with other substances (e.g., speed, LSD, etc.). Therefore, when saying "Ecstasy," someone would expect a pill in a funny shape, whereas with "MDMA," they would expect powder.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by gazunklenut »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #24

In my time night clubs were about hooking up, guess no need for that in the age of tinder?

What? That's kind of creepy.

Raves are and always have been about dancing. The creeps walking around looking for hookups are just that, a bunch of weird creeps that annoy people trying to dance.

Edit: To clarify, it's creepy becaucse a lot of people are on something and pretty vulnerable, they're there to dance and enjoy the music and now some creep is trying to get in their pants while they're rolling and drunk

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by FinnLobsien »

Maybe this is a dumb take, but how much of this is just demographics? Countries are getting older as birth rates decline, so you would expect a decline in things that skew younger in the audiences they attract.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by esperent »

yieldcrv wrote: post #22
hmcq6 wrote: post #6

On the one hand millennials are getting older so it's totally reasonable to expect they wouldn't want to party into the early AM anymore. On the other hand real raves don't happen in legal venues. I've partied in warehouses, upscale restaurants, artist studios, roller skating rinks, movie theaters, hotels, apartments. I threw parties on the lightship Nantucket (LV-112), although those were day parties. But none of th…

The article also mentions that earlier ending events made to accommodate aging millennials have seen an unexpected and huge interest from Gen Z But yeah, the decline of the nightlife and hospitality sector is what this article is about, as the regulated rave experience is very mainstream and has been for a long time now The production value is quite high now and still improving so I don't see why the illicit rave exp…

> The production value is quite high now and still improving so I don't see why the illicit rave experience would be so interesting when the facilities would be so lacking in comparison

A few reasons:

1. security at official music events are often complete arseholes and can totally destroy the vibe. Think of all the row rent chip on their shoulder wannabe cops, then place them in a field of drunk partying adults with complete power and almost zero oversight (+)

2. Advertising everywhere

3. Massively overpriced food and drink

(+) While I fully understand that once you've got multiple thousands of humans in a field, you do need security, at small illegal raves - say a few hundred people - there's no need and the vibe without feeling like you're being watched is spectacular.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by 4ggr0 »

gazunklenut wrote: post #44
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #24

In my time night clubs were about hooking up, guess no need for that in the age of tinder?

What? That's kind of creepy. Raves are and always have been about dancing. The creeps walking around looking for hookups are just that, a bunch of weird creeps that annoy people trying to dance. Edit: To clarify, it's creepy becaucse a lot of people are on something and pretty vulnerable, they're there to dance and enjoy the music and now some creep is trying to get in their pants while they're rolling and drunk

Men will be men, sadly. Can't even feel safe when sober as a charming guy could decide to put roofies in your diet coke.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by dailykoder »

Because the author uses Berlin as an example. As a millenial that grew up in Berlin, I just think that the hype about, what used to be alternative, mainstream clubs is flattening. Especially techno and electro clubs. They are just not as great as social media wants you think they are.

People who love the music will go their for the music and will keep going. Social media folks that go there for the drugs and epic party will lose interest, because it's not as epic as they think it is.

Apart from that other alternative clubs are just doing fine (I am going mostly to drum and bass parties). Even though they got less. But I think the club dying there was because of other reasons, not the missing audience

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by api »

yieldcrv wrote: post #40
api wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't see why the illicit rave experience would be so interesting when the facilities would be so lacking in comparison. I swear if you strip away legal pot and LGBTQ rights (not saying those are bad) we have culturally returned to the 1950s. This is a very conservative period with little interest in or tolerance for actual outside-the-lines culture or experience.

I don’t get that impression here in California I have noticed that after normalizing anything, counterculture areas of California will always have something even more unfamiliar trying to get tolerated and representation But I don’t see what you’re referring to I think there is a disinterest in illicit raves because the market has reached parity and beyond for the experience that the market actually enjoyed. If it fa…

To me the giveaway is the decline in sexual experience among young people. This is like a top line KPI for youth culture and socialization since when people have a lot of positive social interaction and mutual bonding experiences they tend to have sex.

Loads of people have commented on these trends. I’m not pointing out anything new, but I do think a lot of people don’t see it because it’s hidden behind a facade of very visible socially liberal movements that garner attention out of proportion to their numbers. These folks do not represent the mean or the median of the culture.

If you are in the Bay Area or LA or really any metro California city that isn’t a deep suburb your experience might be different. These areas have always been more liberal than the average and enduringly so. The SF Bay was where gay people could go back when there was not just a strong taboo but in many cases real persecution.

Edit: with the last election I think the conservative zeitgeist is going to finally crest, and probably inspire a backlash that will start the pendulum going the other way. Things like politics are the lagging end. There’s also a backlash brewing against social media including dating apps, which are one of the drivers for both youth alienation and promulgation of reactionary attitudes. Right wing cultural fear mongering has excellent memetic fitness on social media.

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