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We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Post by ozim »

As much as I support and vouch for the guys.

Go public earlier is BS - they went public a year ago when it was clear there is political change in PL.

If they would go public in before government change it could have been tragic ( company and company ownership is tightly coupled with prev political power). If previous political power would stay in power I do not believe they would go public.

As much as they are showing in presentation work was done when previous political power was still strong - well good that they went public in the end but I do believe there still was shitload of calculations.

So if you want to go public watch out calculate best possible time. As much as guys are great don’t believe it is pure heroism - pure heroism is stupid - so they did right thing at right time.

Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Post by throw5959 »

ajuc wrote: post #29
gostsamo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is not a federal government. It can investigate only if there is misuse of EU budget money or the country government is breaching it's union obligations. Otherwise, the country aligns its laws to the common european framework and then the country government is responsible for investigating when someone breaks those laws.

It's VERY unlikely EU funds were never involved. Public transport and transport infrastructure is often incentivized with public money, usually with EU participation. It's hard to find big projects that had 0 EU funding.

It's not a magic spell that works across corporate entity boundaries. The company itself must have taken a relevant contract project. There must be a clear intent to defraud the EU fund (defrauding others is not enough).

Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Post by seba_dos1 »

phantom_wizard wrote: post #19
progbits wrote: post #4

There must be strong punishment for frivolous lawsuits. This company is entirely in the wrong and the execs should be in prison, but instead they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit, trying to demotivate and distract the researchers.

This "company" is strongly connected with previous government and their prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki (company owner is his close colleague), they work more like organized crime than legal entity copying the Russians. Sometimes, but not often, they even make some assassinations and I'm afraid it may be so in this case. There was a female deputy Magdalena Biejat, now a president candidate, who was trying to make s…

Haven't you mistaken Magdalena Biejat (senator and presidential candidate) with Paulina Matysiak (deputy making inquiries, now sued by Newag as well)? They're coming from the same political background, but are in fact two distinct women :)

Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

#44

Post by seba_dos1 »

throw5959 wrote: post #20
jakozaur wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The loser pays, but the fees are capped in Poland relatively to low amount.

It's not a low amount to Polish people - it can approach the territory of entire monthly or yearly wages.

It's still a relatively low amount for bigger businesses.

Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Post by dreamcompiler »

miki123211 wrote: post #8
progbits wrote: post #4

There must be strong punishment for frivolous lawsuits. This company is entirely in the wrong and the execs should be in prison, but instead they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit, trying to demotivate and distract the researchers.

Polish person here, as far as I understand, our SLAPP protections are basically nonexistent, which is why this is allowed to happen. In the US, a lawsuit like this would never fly.

SLAPP protections in the US vary by state because there is no federal anti-SLAPP statute [yet].

Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Post by throw5959 »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #44
throw5959 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a low amount to Polish people - it can approach the territory of entire monthly or yearly wages.

It's still a relatively low amount for bigger businesses.

Sure, the point is exactly that a bigger business has upper hand.

Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Post by freehorse »

gruez wrote: post #34
llm_trw wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Option C). Pay 1 billion to keep the lawsuit going forever.

Can you really keep a lawsuit going "forever"? You'd probably run out of appeal options around 5-10 years in.

Doubtful twitter would last more than the lawsuit

Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

#48

Post by wombatpm »

jfengel wrote: post #32
miki123211 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Polish person here, as far as I understand, our SLAPP protections are basically nonexistent, which is why this is allowed to happen. In the US, a lawsuit like this would never fly.

The bar to proving SLAPP is quite high in the US. The protections do exist but they're so obscure and difficult that nobody feels safe, and invalid suits occur all the time.

The bar varies state by state. In CA it’s reasonable, in TX not so much.

Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

#49

Post by slater »

gruez wrote: post #34
llm_trw wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Option C). Pay 1 billion to keep the lawsuit going forever.

Can you really keep a lawsuit going "forever"? You'd probably run out of appeal options around 5-10 years in.

Ask Exxon

Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Post by gruez »

slater wrote: post #49
gruez wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you really keep a lawsuit going "forever"? You'd probably run out of appeal options around 5-10 years in.

Ask Exxon

Surely there's a specific lawsuit you can refer to rather than pointing at a company and hoping that we can guess which case you're referring to?
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