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38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by pantalaimon »

sneak wrote: post #31
hengheng wrote: post #20

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I'm a native speaker and I hate how people have been stumbling through their presentations, lacking basic vocabulary, being dragged along by their bullet points. It wasn't even the accent, it was that the language occupied their minds so much that they couldn't think about what they had to say or how they were saying it. Lots of talks felt like watching a ninth grader in front of the classroom. Now some of these guys…

This is the conference equivalent of "this meeting could have been an email" - "this talk could have been a blog post". Perhaps you could do us all the service of making a blog post for each of the CCC talks this year? :D

Sounds like the job for a LLM

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by jdndene »

Zolomon wrote: post #5

The ticketing system was horrible, it really was not fair this year around.

How was it not fair? While I would prefer limiting the attendence by price and not by come first, get first, I understand their reasoning

But getting a ticket this year was very easy, I got three on two separate occasions.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by bergen »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #23
sevg wrote: post #6

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Out of curiosity, what was horrible and unfair about it? (Genuine question, I don’t know anything about how it was done.)

It's really a pretty strong web of trust system, if you know anyone who's volunteered previous years there are vouchers floating around by word of mouth. If you don't know anyone in the community, purchasing a ticket online is a crapshoot. IMO this is a feature not a bug.

We were a group of 5 and there were 3 separate presales for public. We all got tickets and it worked out pretty decently, like last year.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by cbmuser »

jeffreygoesto wrote: post #36
ralfd wrote: post #25

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Your snark is a bit unfair. But I also noted how far-left and anti-capitalistic many talks/speaker are. I guess it shows the power differential between US vs Europe/Germany and also the difference between disrupting American and risk-averse European culture? Super smart people in the Bay Area found startups to get rich (and invent the future). Super smart people in Germany can only go into academia and research how t…

Maybe it is a valid position to ask where the money for "get rich" comes from and if society would be different if it wasn't all about that money trickling upwards? Have you been to schools or nursing homes lately, having to let dear relatives go there?

Have been to any actual socialist country? Have experienced what scarcity means and what it feels like to be locked into your own country without a real chance of leaving until you reach retirement age?

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by korfuri »

Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

Hi, I'm a long standing CCC interpreter (volunteer of course).

We aim to interpret live 100% of the talks in German (* we do not always interpret things that aren't strictly speaking talks, like poetry readings or performance art, although we try to make these as accessible as we can). We also interpret various talks into other languages - we have a sizeable team working on French and Spanish interpretation, and depending on volunteer availability, we are keen to be target any spoken language. For this talk you are interested in, I'm very confident it will be interpreted into English.

You can find our work on media.ccc.de both on the streams and recorded talks. If you're attending live we have lower latency audio streams available on-site, check out c3lingo.org.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by wkat4242 »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #30
xnacly wrote: post #19

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Can you elaborate?

CCC has a mix of talks from deeply technical to political/societal, and the latter are heavily left/environmentalist slanted.

Yeah it's pretty activistic in a progressive way but that goes hand in hand with hacker culture. At least in Europe. It's part of the attraction for me. Though I don't go to CCC but I do to other events.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by zxexz »

Y_Y wrote: post #9

I love watching CCC every years though I rarely catch it live. Since we have a couple of days to wait for this year's talk, I'll ask. Does it bother anyone else that some talks are in German, or does it bother anyone else that they find themselves bothered that the talks are in German? I love all languages great and small, natural and formal and so I'm conflicted on subjects like this. I find young German speakers to…

I've been to CCC (and hope to continue doing so again when life ceases to get in the way), and it's never bothered me in the slightest. The Congress is organized by the Chaos Computer Club, founded in Germany and consists primarily of decentralized clubs/associations that themselves are German-speaking. The talks (often) live-dubbed English, and post-talk the talks are translated as well (both the live translation and the post-recording subtitling are done by volunteers, BTW). The majority of congress-goers speak German as a first language, and frankly many of those who don't speak German still attend German talks - thanks to the translators (you can even get a sense of this by watching the talks on the website; there are many instances of English being used for questions and even answers in the Q&A sections of German talks). P ersonally, I believe the world would be less interesting if everything of interest was in the same language - I think all (major, at least - those with a budget for translators/enough volunteers to translate) conferences should allow the speakers to give their talks in the language they are comfortable in.

Anecdotally, I've never had passable German conversationally, but have studied the language a fair bit, and watching so many German talks with translation (both remotely and in-person) actually passively brought up my understanding of the language that I could understand most of what was being said; to the point that I felt comfortable over the years passively understanding the German language outside of the congress in most situations. Sure, being able to to speak in another language comfortably is ideal, but being able to listen, even just passively, in another language really feels like a superpower.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Post by dewey »

pantalaimon wrote: post #40
dewey wrote: post #14

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If you are part of a hacker space you could always get tickets through that quite easily. I think it’s great that they are supporting their original core audience like that.

Those hacker spaces only get a limited contingent too, and the hacker space will expect you to help set up their assembly if you get the ticket through them.

Yes, limited contingent, but that's also expected with a limited number of seats at the congress. I'm part of two hacker spaces and none of them expected any help with setting up their assembly.
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