I have both in my RSS reader and use the intersection as heuristic signal for astroturfing. If it shows up twice exactly or as an obviously close match I know I can safely completely disregard.
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#42Can someone be so kind to invite me to lobste.rs?
Get onto the #lobsters irc channel on libera, hang out for a while and you eventually will get an invite
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#43I don't advise posting to Lobsters for these reasons: 1. The mods there can "steal" your post and any credit for it, reassigning its authorship to one of their friends. This happens more often than you would think. 2. The users there have a major case of groupthink, much worse than us here, considering they don't even allow outsiders to register it they're not recommended by someone on the inside. Inbred is the label…
I agree. I've been on Lobsters for a long time, and the changeover from jcs to pushcx in site ownership really changed the moderation philosophy to lean heavily on editorial control of the site's contents. I think any community has the right to run itself how it wishes. My major frustration with Lobsters is that it doesn't call out this editorial philosophy. The UX of the site and its legacy under jcs often give the…
I don't think "inbred" is an insult, at least not to me. I find inbreeding to be more of a spectrum than a binary, when it comes to internet communities. Even on HN, which I rate above other communities, there's a strong tendency to take elite behavior as a role model, and then reproduce it.
Re: Lobste.rs/Hacker News links overlap
#44Re: Lobste.rs/Hacker News links overlap
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
A number of very legitimate AI posts on their site get downvoted and disappear. This is pretty bad for the posting user. Such posts do fine on here for comparison.
I checked https://lobste.rs/moderations for deleted AI stories going back to October. There's nothing I can find there. Downvoting through flagging - any examples?
It's not so much about deletion, but more about unfair downvoting to the extent that the posting user's account itself becomes at risk. This is even for very valid GitHub open source project link posts despite the projects having lots of stars. The theory is that the downvoting users don't want to spend the time to keep up with AI, and also don't want others to spend the time.
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#46There's some folks that farm lobste.rs -> HN. Actually just one in particular. They're now in the top10 using this strategy due to how effective it is.
Yeah, I noticed that. I think he set up some automation for that.
I confess, I'll sometimes check out lobste.rs/recent and if there's anything interesting, pop over here to submit it.
Definitely substantial overlap in terms of posts that are interesting.
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#47I don't advise posting to Lobsters for these reasons: 1. The mods there can "steal" your post and any credit for it, reassigning its authorship to one of their friends. This happens more often than you would think. 2. The users there have a major case of groupthink, much worse than us here, considering they don't even allow outsiders to register it they're not recommended by someone on the inside. Inbred is the label…
I was pretty active for a few years.
Posted one too many self-promotional posts (though still within the terms and on-topic for the community). About 5-10% of my posts that were self-promotional.
Got read the riot act by the moderator. Wrote him a note saying that part of why I participated in lobste.rs was to share others great stuff, but part was to share my own stuff too. And if that wasn't in keeping with the community he was building, I was out.
Have logged in exactly once since then (to invite someone).
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lobsters is trying to do the same thing as Hacker News - avoid the Eternal September effect at all costs. It just has more direct and overt methods of maintaining and enforcing its culture than here, and that starts with barring the door against the rabble.
I wonder if the Dutch Strategy might work for a link aggregator: explicitly provide a well-signposted "front page", where the rabble congregates and the groupthink is at its Grundyest, yet implicitly expect any non-Septemberist discussions to occur well away from those few sacrificial links?
Looks like we (or just i?) missed this discussion on the frontpage
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42502659
(Why did you call this dutch strategy, did Dijkstra use it? Ah you mean the oudekerk? Straathoertje?)
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lobsters is trying to do the same thing as Hacker News - avoid the Eternal September effect at all costs. It just has more direct and overt methods of maintaining and enforcing its culture than here, and that starts with barring the door against the rabble.
I wonder if the Dutch Strategy might work for a link aggregator: explicitly provide a well-signposted "front page", where the rabble congregates and the groupthink is at its Grundyest, yet implicitly expect any non-Septemberist discussions to occur well away from those few sacrificial links?
Those links are not sacrificial; it is everything else that is sacrificed. It is a healthy rabble, better called a bustle, that leads to the discovery of wisdom. Everything else is a non-event.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder if the Dutch Strategy might work for a link aggregator: explicitly provide a well-signposted "front page", where the rabble congregates and the groupthink is at its Grundyest, yet implicitly expect any non-Septemberist discussions to occur well away from those few sacrificial links?
Those links are not sacrificial; it is everything else that is sacrificed. It is a healthy rabble, better called a bustle, that leads to the discovery of wisdom. Everything else is a non-event.
And in what sense are the Shakespearean monkeys an unhealthy rabble?
I'm currently vibing that those popular+attentionally-limited links are necessary, but not sufficient, for wisdom uncovery..
And that a healthier route may involve actively compensating for the intrinsic asymmetry between Rao's weird & hypernormal in his "new systems of survival".
(Contrast with Jane Jacobs' guardian/commercial, or Rao's latest Mandala/Machine dichotomy, when the yinyang dynamic is much more obvious)
As I mentioned to GP earlier, one design bug with the current dynamic is that there is no affordance* for the hook of enlightenment (moksha) to turn into sustainable (re)production (flow, aka samsara)
Imagine the Shakespearean monkeys, but with a mechanism to string together some of the shorter uncoveries..
* Adfordance, heh
Lagniappe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgeworth%27s_limit_theorem