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The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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> If UnitedHealth Group decided to donate every single dollar of its profit to buying Americans more health care, it would only be able to pay for about 9.3% more health care than it’s already paying for. This is an absolutely massive number. It could easily prevent hundreds of unnecessary deaths per year.

It's significantly less than the growth in health care spending over the last 5 years. Was health insurance affordable 5 years ago? Then it doesn't matter.

Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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post #27

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There have been multiple studies on the descendants of Holocaust survivors looking at exactly this btw. "Descendants of Holocaust Survivors Have Altered Stress Hormones": https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/descendants-of-ho...

I would think surviving absolute horror would shape the education one would give to their children. Why is it necessarily epigenetic?

Maybe not necessarily; it might turn out to be both with a little more research done? Out of many psychological phenomena, this seems like it could actually be quite research-able.

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One of the author's points was that if United took no profit, it could only very slightly increase services. The only ethical thing that Thompson could have done is advocated for the dissolution of his and his competitors' firms, which would have had him out of a job quickly. The actual problem is the system where United exists at all. Health insurance provides exceedingly little value for a very high cost. One issue…

So a fraction of the number of tech employees out of a job in the last couple years due to interest rate increases and AI panic? What’s the problem, again?

IT unemployment is currently under 4% because the folks that got laid off found new jobs. If you eliminate an entire industry, the unemployed will have a tougher time finding a new job.

The dislocation would be far larger than the tech layoff.

Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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post #21

The article seems quite level-headed and thoughtful. That said, this jumps the gun: > The idea that trauma is passed down epigenetically is not only unscientific, it’s also un-agentic; if you believe your trauma is hardwired into your DNA, you’re prone to passively accept it rather than actively trying to overcome it. Recent research is pretty convincing that the "folk wisdom" of trauma being passed down to later gen…

I'll take the bait. It seems to me that going from "F1 and F2 generations of mice respond differently to the smell of acetophenone if their parents were exposed to it" to "well, human trauma is inherited and there isn't anything we can do about violent behavior" is somewhat far-fetched and smells like neo-eugenics.

I’ll take the bait: junk DNA, arguments against epigenetic expression, the irrelevance of the guy microbiome. Wrong and wrong and wrong NYT biosciences editor!

Mainstream consensus on this as reported in the popular press is nothing like the actual credence of the guys in lab coats. I know serious biotech people at serious schools who won’t fuck with mMRNA vaccination personally. As long as they’re not quoted on it.

When you get your bioscience from The Atlantic? Be ready to be wrong soon.

Real scientists don’t mouth off like this. They choose an emphasis when writing a grant application like a cover letter.

Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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post #29

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We don't have to retcon subtle rationales onto the murder; the guy wrote a manifesto. It was bad, and dumb, as writers from both ends of the political spectrum and points between have observed.

By your tone, I would bet that your cited "writers from both ends of the political spectrum and points between" read the fake manifesto [0]. The (more likely) real [1] one isn't as easily dismissed. 0 - https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2024/12/fact-check-fake-m... 1 - https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto

I'm referring to the especially dumb one you linked at [1].

Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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You are describing a very small number of highly-activated people responding to a media environment. I think it's especially telling that you cite women "lining up to marry him"; his support, as you're depicting it, is characterized by deeply irrational behavior. I agree.

I think I’m still openly condemning the violence without dismissing the fucking broad based anger around it. There are a large number of us who are very pissed off but still seeking compromise. There are a very fucking small number of people who own any significant equities, or have their interests actually materialize politically. That’s the group I’m lobbying to get your shit correct before Luigi is fucking everywh…

I'm more interested in policy being adopted on its merits, rather than out of concern that The Joker will punish me for not supporting it.

Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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post #46

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I think I’m still openly condemning the violence without dismissing the fucking broad based anger around it. There are a large number of us who are very pissed off but still seeking compromise. There are a very fucking small number of people who own any significant equities, or have their interests actually materialize politically. That’s the group I’m lobbying to get your shit correct before Luigi is fucking everywh…

I'm more interested in policy being adopted on its merits, rather than out of concern that The Joker will punish me for not supporting it.

I hope you’ve got some more robust definition of merit than it sounds like @tptacek, I was if anything taking your side against the mob net/net.

You do have some better definition of merit than “currently profits myself”?

Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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post #26
post #5

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> scope remains for negotiation and compromise and peaceful resolution I feel like the murderer wouldn't be so widely commended if that were true. Justice is what is supposed to prevent vigilantism, and apparently lots of people here felt that the murder was just.

It was not widely commended; that it looks that way is an artifact of how our media is structured. We tend now to look at the world through a band-stop filter that amplifies the most activating ideas.

"Widely" could mean a lot of things - it doesn't appear to have anywhere close to majority support, but more than 15% of Americans (and almost half of young people) think it was at least acceptable:

https://archive.ph/hXNhj

That's around 50 million people.

Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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post #26

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It was not widely commended; that it looks that way is an artifact of how our media is structured. We tend now to look at the world through a band-stop filter that amplifies the most activating ideas.

"Widely" could mean a lot of things - it doesn't appear to have anywhere close to majority support, but more than 15% of Americans (and almost half of young people) think it was at least acceptable: https://archive.ph/hXNhj That's around 50 million people.

That's an extrapolation from a poll, not literally 50 million people, and you can get 15% of a poll sample to say almost anything, including (first thing that popped up in my Google search) that Hitler was good actually.

Re: The Riddle of Luigi Mangione

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post #46

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I'm more interested in policy being adopted on its merits, rather than out of concern that The Joker will punish me for not supporting it.

I hope you’ve got some more robust definition of merit than it sounds like @tptacek, I was if anything taking your side against the mob net/net. You do have some better definition of merit than “currently profits myself”?

Maybe the smartest people could get the best but we’ll keep plenty for everyone. No, it’s not that we’ve done.

Maybe we could do the same but with the hardest working? It’s not that either. You ever seen guys making a highway in Arizona? Nah, not the hardest working.

Maybe we could backdate pure fucking blind luck in parents and mentors and shit and call it merit and just push that on the previous two groups like the greasy pimps we are for so long we forgot it was a scam and we actually start believing it. And then use it to justify atrocities at the scale of millions (Brian Thompson) but condemn violence at the retail level (shooting him).

Yeah. John Galt forever. I meant Spring Break.

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