Didn't the US fund those guys to do exactly that?
The US often does unlawful things.
Especially using willing 3rd parties to allow for plausible deniability.
US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp
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#42Well, good. But also: build better software.
I support this. It’s not possible to be “perfect,” but if we do our best to get there, we’ll make really good stuff. It’s unlikely to happen, though, as we have a system that explicitly rewards writing crap, because it makes money. As long as we fail to reward good work, we will continue to get poor work.
> As long as we fail to reward good work, we will continue to get poor work.
I think that's a bit off. The problem is that we continue to reward poor work so the poor work continues.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
All the cartels in Mexico buy their guns from America and nobody is going to jail over it.
People do in fact get sent to prison for that, straw purchases are a federal felony. Not all of them actually get caught, which is true of any crime.
Except when the ATF does it, no big deal
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#44You have to be really bad if Meta are somehow the good guys in the article.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with the first part, at least in spirit. The second part though doesn't make sense. If the US president can send drones to kill terrorists without taking them to court, surely he can order hacking their phones. If you think that there's no case where the latter is ok you shouldn't you fight against the former first?
> send drones to kill terrorists The part that you miss is, are they only killing "terrorists" extrajudicially? To take that propaganda at its face value is to ask, what else could they be killing brown people for, if not terrorism?
I didn't say if I think that drone killing is justified or not, since I have no opinion on that - I don't know enough to form an opinion. I only say that since the government have the right to send killing drone it doesn't make sense to raise pitchforks against phone hacking
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#47> "Surveillance companies should be on notice that illegal spying will not be tolerated." That is kinda funny, although sad at the same time On the flip side, I guess that means META allows WhatsApp users being only “legally spied” on
Every social media company allows legal spying. Warrants and wiretap orders are issued every day in the United States.
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#48There are many other companies beyond NSO Group, if I were a journalist I would write a more comprehensive list of them and educate about this whole "industry".
NSO Group is unique in that they are entirely sheltered from (largely due) criticism by their government, creating an unaccountable and injust basis of relations between the United States and Israel that many readers are concerned by. There simply aren't any other comparably corrupt "cybersecurity" outfits in the world.
Kinda similar to how the IDF has never been charged with war crimes despite several of their service-members being recorded breaking the law in their Israeli fatigues. It's not that international law was never broken, it's that Israel considers themselves above the rule of law and international bases of morality. That type of behavior absolutely must be called out in it's lonesome, such that no nation ever repeats Israel's embarrassing mistake.
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#49There should be no difference with usual botnet owner/ransomware gangs and such companies. Management should go to prison for good 20-30 years for that and being extradited worldwide. Considering that ransomware gangs are probably less harmful to the society than guys who hack journalists and politicians, putting their lifes at literal risks, not just their pockets. There should be no "legal" hacking of someone's dev…
I agree with the first part, at least in spirit. The second part though doesn't make sense. If the US president can send drones to kill terrorists without taking them to court, surely he can order hacking their phones. If you think that there's no case where the latter is ok you shouldn't you fight against the former first?
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Certainly the ones that hack journalists should go to prison.
Why should journalist badge provide some kind of protection shield? [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Gonz%C3%A1lez_Yag%C3%BCe
In Israel's opinion? It shouldn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_...
Israeli forces killed 38x more journalists than Hamas did on October 7th.