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Ozempic increases risk of debilitating eye condition: studies

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Re: Ozempic increases risk of debilitating eye condition: studies

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Important to note that this side effect is still very rare and that we still use drugs with similarly serious and rare side effects. The authors of the study do not recommend abandoning these drugs, rather we should understand and manage the risks.

Doesn't untreated diabetes also cause blindness in some people? definitely seems better to take it than not.

Different damages, one is on blood vessels, the other on optic nerve. So you could even get both

Re: Ozempic increases risk of debilitating eye condition: studies

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If I know anything about America, they're gonna work at finding a remedy for blindness instead of getting on a treadmill.

Just like they won't fix school shootings by implementing gun control but will talk for days about motives.

They always try and fix the consequence of the problem and not the problem, it's pretty funny to watch from the outside.

Re: Ozempic increases risk of debilitating eye condition: studies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone reading this might assume its zero sum to you - as if people on Ozempic have not already been exercising and monitoring caloric intake without the associated weight loss/health results they desire - and have only chosen it because they don't want to try something else. I'm sure you aren't trying to come across as fat shaming, but the reality is of course not zero sum. Diet and exercise doesn't magically work…

Diet alone is 100% guaranteed to cause you to lose weight. It really is as easy as counting calories. It is a scientific fact. It is physically impossible to gain, or maintain weight, if you cut caloric intake sufficiently.

You are not wrong. Starving yourself works, obviously. What doesn't work is maintaining people in a state of starvation. It becomes extremely hard if there are other tasks stealing focus (for example, work), or if you have a high basal metabolic rate, or if you have diabetes, etc.

Re: Ozempic increases risk of debilitating eye condition: studies

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If you literally cannot stop yourself from being obese any other way, then Ozempic and similar may be a good choice. But the side effects are large. You can never, ever stop taking it. We don't know what being on it for decades causes. There are anecdotes that it numbs you out emotionally. There are no shortcuts in life. There is always a tradeoff.

1) Side effects not much more than the most tame of drugs, like aspirin. This one, if it exists, is incredibly rare. 2) You can stop taking it, obviously. Just like any medicine, the effects will wear off, but there's no rebound effect or risky side effect from coming off. You simply return to your previous state. 3) There's more positive anecdotes than negative basically wherever you look. I have a friend who took i…

Using glp1s for addiction treatment is in active study because of anecdotes like your friends. Hopefully there are some solid results soon.

Re: Ozempic increases risk of debilitating eye condition: studies

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Such a curiously-worded headline, to refer to Ozempic specifically – quite a recognizable & understood term at this point! – as just some "Danish diabetes medicine". I almost expected the source to be some group with a resentment towards Denmark – maybe Greenland separatists? – but no, it's just a Danish university that doesn't want to say 'Ozempic' in the headline directly.

Maybe the university thinks that Ozempic is not a well known brand in Denmark so being vague will get more clicks. 0.4% of them get a Ozempic prescription per year vs 1.7% of Americans per year. Seems crazy when "Nearly 1 out of every 5 Danish jobs created last year was at Novo", but it's possible.

Another possibility is that they don't wanna tarnish a brand that saved the country from recession last year. No point picking fights with industry over some observational study that has no predictive power

Re: Ozempic increases risk of debilitating eye condition: studies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't untreated diabetes also cause blindness in some people? definitely seems better to take it than not.

It does. High blood sugar levels are hard on every system in the body. One thing about semaglutide is that it can lower blood sugar levels past normal, too. One of my diabetic friends had to lower her dose of Ozempic precisely for this reason. In general, it wouldn't surprise me if pathologies that involve ischemia could be exacerbated by a treatment that lowers energy supply as well.

Lowering blood sugar below normal levels is hardly unique to semaglutide or GLP1s in general. Most drugs targetting type 2 diabetes can do so and sometimes need to be adjusted to prevent hypoglycemic events. Insulin in particular poses a significant risk of hypoglycemic events which is why many insurances cover continuous glucose monitors for those taking insulin.

Re: Ozempic increases risk of debilitating eye condition: studies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone reading this might assume its zero sum to you - as if people on Ozempic have not already been exercising and monitoring caloric intake without the associated weight loss/health results they desire - and have only chosen it because they don't want to try something else. I'm sure you aren't trying to come across as fat shaming, but the reality is of course not zero sum. Diet and exercise doesn't magically work…

Diet alone is 100% guaranteed to cause you to lose weight. It really is as easy as counting calories. It is a scientific fact. It is physically impossible to gain, or maintain weight, if you cut caloric intake sufficiently.

Yes, and abstaining from alcohol is guaranteed to stop alcoholism! It is a scientific fact. It is physically impossible to be an alcoholic if you cut alcohol intake sufficiently.

It's so simple, really.

(See the problem here?)

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