How do you go to from that screen shot to this conclusion?
You go from the eFuse mentioned at the beginning to the conclusion in the screenshot at the end, not the other way around.
"Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
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Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
they have to do that to server different segments. how would you price a 4090 that can be used for crypto, gaming, ai, cad, video editing if you were to discover that is cheaper to create the same chips for all of them, but the segments are really different, 90% coming from datacenter and 10% from gaming we're lucky they still do gaming by limiting the datacenter chips it's like getting a ferrari speed limited for us…
They just shouldn't do that. If they can afford to sell the Ferrari for $20k, they should do so. To everyone who wants one, for whatever reason.
That is why we need competition, to drive the price down towards the costs. And you must be able to provide enough volume to meet demand.
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
they have to do that to server different segments. how would you price a 4090 that can be used for crypto, gaming, ai, cad, video editing if you were to discover that is cheaper to create the same chips for all of them, but the segments are really different, 90% coming from datacenter and 10% from gaming we're lucky they still do gaming by limiting the datacenter chips it's like getting a ferrari speed limited for us…
They just shouldn't do that. If they can afford to sell the Ferrari for $20k, they should do so. To everyone who wants one, for whatever reason.
They would not be able to afford to sell them at that price if they sold all of them at that price. (Or at least, I doubt they would.)
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
they have to do that to server different segments. how would you price a 4090 that can be used for crypto, gaming, ai, cad, video editing if you were to discover that is cheaper to create the same chips for all of them, but the segments are really different, 90% coming from datacenter and 10% from gaming we're lucky they still do gaming by limiting the datacenter chips it's like getting a ferrari speed limited for us…
They just shouldn't do that. If they can afford to sell the Ferrari for $20k, they should do so. To everyone who wants one, for whatever reason.
The danger, of course, is that they decide that they don't believe they can sell a single sku at USD20000 and make the same money they're making now. So then, the price goes up 2.5x to 10x depending on how greedy they want to be.
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#45Between EVGA getting out of the Nvidia card business, Nvidia continuing to be problematic under Linux (even if that’s improving), all the nonsense with the new power connector, and the company’s general sliminess, I’m increasingly leaning towards an AMD (or potentially Intel) card for my next tower upgrade.
AMD and Intel might only be competing in the entry-to-midrange market sector but my needs aren’t likely to exceed what RX 8000 or next-gen Intel cards are capable of anyway.
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Intel didn't have a software stack moat.
NVidia has software moat for specialized applications but not for AI, which is responsible for most of their sales now. Almost everyone in AI uses pytorch/jax/triton/flash attention and not CUDA directly. And if Google can support pytorch for their TPU and Apple for their M1 GPU, surely others could.
> NVidia has software moat for specialized applications but not for AI, which is responsible for most of their sales now. Almost everyone in AI uses pytorch/jax/triton/flash attention and not CUDA directly
And what does pytorch et al. use under the hood? cuBLAS and cuDNN, proprietary libraries written by NVidia. That is where most of the heavy lifting is done. If you think that replicating the functionality and performance that these libraries provide is easy, feel free to apply for a job at NVidia or their competitors. It is pretty well paid.
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting no one considers the environmental impact. This creates tonnes of e-waste with a shortened useful life. We should demand that it's unlockable after a certain time.
Maybe not demand that it be unlockable, but rather if Nvidia were to provide a paid upgrade path to unlock these features that would help. They would need some way to prevent the open source drivers from accessing the features, though.
> but rather if Nvidia were to provide a paid upgrade path to unlock these features that would help.
You do not revert a blown e-fuse with a software update.
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#48Between EVGA getting out of the Nvidia card business, Nvidia continuing to be problematic under Linux (even if that’s improving), all the nonsense with the new power connector, and the company’s general sliminess, I’m increasingly leaning towards an AMD (or potentially Intel) card for my next tower upgrade. AMD and Intel might only be competing in the entry-to-midrange market sector but my needs aren’t likely to exce…
I am tempted to try the new Intel GPU as an upgrade for my current ~5yo build. I don’t need something high end, and I don’t need any AI stuff. But I use a dual boot Windows/Linux, and I am a bit worried about how it will behave under Linux.
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#49This is why Nvidia needs competition. I love the performance of their hardware and the quality of their drivers, but I don't love being their customer. They have a long, long history of price discrimination using techniques like this. Back in the day it was "workstation" graphics for CAD programs that they would nerf for consumer cards by downgrading various features of OpenGL. Different markets, same techniques. It'…
Oh, right, the CAD thing was sketchier. IIRC there wasn't any feature of OpenGL/DirectX that was nerfed, it was just an agreement with CAD companies to reject the GPUs that didn't have the workstation bit fused.
For this performance nerf, IDK, seems fine to me. Software companies do this all the time. Same piece of software but you have to pay to unlock features. I don't see why hardware should be any different.
Granted, even for the CAD nerf, it's a gray area. You pay for features, not for silicon, and NVidia is clear about what you have to pay for what features, so. But I'm a bit more biased on that one because my 10-person HW company had to spring for several of those workstation cards.
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#50How do you go to from that screen shot to this conclusion?
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