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It does matter, because one post before you felt entitled to put the blame on the protocol. Nuance is pretty important when you take into account the difference in amount of resources available to the two groups.
Don't know which post you are referring to. We must be reading different threads.
XFCE 4.20 Released
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Re: XFCE 4.20 Released
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I thought this was just default with XFCE in general
Maybe it's included and just needs enabling https://docs.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin...
At least with Arch, it's an optional package: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/xfce4-whiskermen...
I don't know how to tell if this is the case for Ubuntu/Debian just from browsing the package pages in launchpad.
Re: XFCE 4.20 Released
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Wayland still intrigues me - it was first released 16 years ago but still support like in XFCE is "experimental". I really don't know much about Wayland but its initial goals and the excitement if caused (at first) seemed always very noble.
what I love about X is how stable it became after it was abandoned.
Re: XFCE 4.20 Released
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Indeed. I kept hearing "Wayland solves problems with two monitors at different refresh rates" But when I set up mismatching monitors, X11 didn't skip a beat (1440p native/120Hz, 1440p (being fed to a 4k native monitor)/60Hz Conversely, the worst issue I had with dual monitors was with Wayland: Wayfire thought it was a brilliant idea to not support "window spanning two monitors" as default policy. It feels to me like…
both your monitors are being fed 60hz with x11 then right? It uses the lowest supported value of all screens
Re: XFCE 4.20 Released
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There's definitely a lesson to be learned from Wayland's rollout. Technically it's a vastly superior approach to system graphics. The major roadblock to its adoption has been that it didn't deal with all the "extras" that X provided to desktop distributions as well. Things like copy/paste, screen sharinf, and others don't have a single standard way of accomplishing through Wayland because those aren't things related…
FTFY: s/extras/essential features/ the decision to roll window management and keyboard management and screen management into one thing called "compositor" looks very cavalier to me. It resulted in a need to duplicate so many things that are modular and pluggable under X. (Repeating myself, I wish somebody created a Wayland compositor that explicitly delegates most tasks to plugins, providing a stable interface, so th…
You'd think that, wouldn't you?
The closest thing I know to a universal Wayland server that's WM and desktop independent is Mir.
I blame the disappearance of the one concerted competitive rival effort to the primarily Red Hat-backed complex of Wayland+GNOME+Flatpak to a single HN thread.
In my experience, HN commenters are often surprised when I say that I find this place to frequently be toxic, negative, with a strong element of groupthink. It's all on display in this thread:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14002821
It is also why Jamie Zawinski blocks incoming URL requests from here, and redirects to a famous image.
Re: XFCE 4.20 Released
#46...And just the other day I was thinking about maybe trying XFCE out :) Now, currently I'm using LXQt (which is probably even more bare bones and "get the job done" DE), what can XFCE give me? I mean, I certainly see a point when people switch to XFCE from Gnome or KDE. But what about if coming from the other side of the spectrum?
A working vertical taskbar.
Which, sadly, LXDE did just fine.
Re: XFCE 4.20 Released
#47...And just the other day I was thinking about maybe trying XFCE out :) Now, currently I'm using LXQt (which is probably even more bare bones and "get the job done" DE), what can XFCE give me? I mean, I certainly see a point when people switch to XFCE from Gnome or KDE. But what about if coming from the other side of the spectrum?
> what can XFCE give me A working vertical taskbar. Which, sadly, LXDE did just fine.
Re: XFCE 4.20 Released
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> what can XFCE give me A working vertical taskbar. Which, sadly, LXDE did just fine.
Funny thing is, I actually use my LXQt exclusively with a vertical taskbar (and it's been years). Don't know about any possible problems.
The thing is this: the controls on a vertical taskbar should be horizontal, and they should rearrange themselves in rows according to its width. So, horizontal buttons with horizontal text for each window, and status icons in columns and rows.
Any and all desktops with a start menu and a taskbar are just variations of Windows 95, and this is how Windows 95 worked. Most of the ripoffs don't do it right, and can't. A few (e.g. KDE) do it but really badly, so you get a HUGE start button and a HUGE clock, for instance.
Most people don't remember Win95 now, but I do. It really annoys me when the knock-offs can't do things the original did 29 years ago.
Can you imagine if someone came along with a new version of Vim, but they'd changed all the keystrokes and replaced all the : commands with English verbs? Instead of :wq or :x you typed SAVE FILE? People would laugh mockingly and go use something else.
That's how I feel about a half-done version of the taskbar-and-start-menu interface, like in MATE or Cinnamon.
Original Windows 95 fit into 32MB of disk space because that was the original maximum size of FAT16 drives. It was a tiny, simple OS. If someone presents me with a UI that copies the Win95 one, and basically every other FOSS desktop except GNOME >=3, Unity and Pantheon does, then the least I expect is an accurate copy of the very simple functionality that Windows 95 provided in 4MB of RAM.
Take that away, and it's ruined. It's Vim with no command mode and only cursor keys: you might as well use Notepad.
Notepad is perfectly usable and it's all a lot of people need. I'm not mocking anyone happy with it. I expect a bit more though.
Re: XFCE 4.20 Released
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both your monitors are being fed 60hz with x11 then right? It uses the lowest supported value of all screens
Well, the monitor itself says it's being fed 120Hz in its status popup, I don't think X11 is smart enough to lie in that way.