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Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't need to.

No, but one shouldn’t take high impact statements about what the “consensus” is on any issue from random comments on the internet without any justification.

The second sentence is justification. I don't mind if people don't just accept my conclusion based on the comment, it's just a comment, a small piece of the puzzle in someones mind.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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>The impulse behind it is a sense of helplessness over a long-term rise in violent crime. Ten years ago Sweden, with 10m people, had one of the lowest rates of gun violence and murder in Europe. It now has one of the highest, averaging a shooting a day. In 2022, 62 people were shot dead; last year it was 53.

Sweden has super strict gun control laws. This is a pretty good case for the argument that the low levels of gun violence that Europe used to enjoy were more due to cultural values instead of strict laws.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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So, as in america, again, you're guilty until you prove you're innocent, by either wasting a lot of money on legal costs, or alternatively, letting them steal whatever they took from you... sad.

TBH both US and Sweden have comparable high wealth inequality, and very high ratio of mean/median wealth. Their rich want their poor to remain poor.

Your first claim appears to be false.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gini-coef...

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s… difficult . I live in Sweden and the issues of lack of integration are eerily similar to those that affect the UK (where I was born and raised 80s-10s); pockets of extremely isolated cultures living in essentially parallel societies. First, migration is too inclusive and too exclusive of a term. For example it would exclude a second generation individual- and if we are suggesting that religion is an issue, thos…

No, it's not too reductive to claim that immigration has lead to problems. It's quite plainly obvious at this point. The only reason why ones mind will struggle to grasp this is because you understand that there are severe consequences for openly criticizing immigration. Your mind will conjure "nuances" to allow you to avoid confronting the idea that something has to change, and allow you to remain socially, financia…

It's too reductive to claim that immigration didn't cause problems, and it's too reductive to claim that immigration is the source of most of the problems.

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"There is no consensus on the main cause of this surge in violence" If I am not misunderstood, the consensus in Sweden and globally is that the situation is caused by lax immigration policies and taking in too many immigrants who have not been able to integrate to the society.

Are you saying that the violence is caused by the immigrants directly or indirectly? I can’t say for Sweden but in the Texas immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than citizens[1]. There doesn’t seem to be a good source of data for the US as a whole. 1. https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-o...

I think that may be because Texas gets Hispanic immigrants, whereas Europe gets immigrants from Islamic regions that have been disrupted by either the U.S. or Russia (mostly the U.S. though).

There should be an UN resolution that says: "You start a war, you take the immigrants."

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that the violence is caused by the immigrants directly or indirectly? I can’t say for Sweden but in the Texas immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than citizens[1]. There doesn’t seem to be a good source of data for the US as a whole. 1. https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-o...

In Germany the opposite is true[1]. I don't think it's wise to lump "immigrants" together as a group. The composition of immigrant populations varies a lot between countries (or even cities) and as with any individual criminality depends on factors like socioeconomic background. The specifics of immigration matter. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45419466

The article is outdated (2018.)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not too reductive to claim that immigration has lead to problems. It's quite plainly obvious at this point. The only reason why ones mind will struggle to grasp this is because you understand that there are severe consequences for openly criticizing immigration. Your mind will conjure "nuances" to allow you to avoid confronting the idea that something has to change, and allow you to remain socially, financia…

It's too reductive to claim that immigration didn't cause problems, and it's too reductive to claim that immigration is the source of most of the problems.

What do you think causes the problems?

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s… difficult . I live in Sweden and the issues of lack of integration are eerily similar to those that affect the UK (where I was born and raised 80s-10s); pockets of extremely isolated cultures living in essentially parallel societies. First, migration is too inclusive and too exclusive of a term. For example it would exclude a second generation individual- and if we are suggesting that religion is an issue, thos…

No, it's not too reductive to claim that immigration has lead to problems. It's quite plainly obvious at this point. The only reason why ones mind will struggle to grasp this is because you understand that there are severe consequences for openly criticizing immigration. Your mind will conjure "nuances" to allow you to avoid confronting the idea that something has to change, and allow you to remain socially, financia…

Your characterisation of my motivation is not correct.

I’m considered racist because I am extremely critical of islam and think that it has no place in our increasingly secular societies.

If you think I’m scared of talking about immigration, you are unfathomably mistaken.

However you have to talk about each part properly, is migration causing significant social unrest and tension? Probably, I would argue yes.

Are migrants more likely to commit crime? No, not really, when accounting for other things like income.

I might be a racist, but it is important to be a correct racist.

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