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I spent a year building an Android course for the elderly

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Re: I spent a year building an Android course for the elderly

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Did you test your course on any elderly people as you were developing it? What did you learn from that, if so? Did it require changes that were surprising?

I wanted to:) And you know what the funny thing is, if i give the course for free, no-one watches it. I did reach out to several people in my friendship, gave them free the course just to get feedback. None of them watched it, so thats very, very surprising for me. Maybe i should go up to random strangers and PAY THEM in order to give them something that would benefit them - and maybe get some feedback:)) But on the…

It might be worth thinking of more natural partners like senior centers, libraries, etc. Maybe start with more of a open Q&A session and show them how to navigate the course to answer their questions.

Such a tremendous amount of work, really Kudos! So cool.

Re: I spent a year building an Android course for the elderly

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I have to wonder if the Anglo-sphere elderly will struggle with your accent. It’s not too strong and I can understand, but for those that may be slightly hard if hearing and have less neuroplasticity maybe it would be an extra hurdle to using the guide.

Agreed. If I were to get my mom to try this course, the first thing she will comment on is that she can't understand the accent. Ironically her own accent is much stronger. She just isn't very tolerant when it comes to focusing on something.

Re: I spent a year building an Android course for the elderly

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People should just stop including those warnings. Unless they are a google, FB or some other juicy politically rich target for the EU to make an example of, they are a complete waste of time. Nobody is going to hassle you about it.

Unfortunately, this isn’t true. There is at least one organization out there launching privacy suits to extract settlements from small players.

Wow... Do you know the orgs name?

Re: I spent a year building an Android course for the elderly

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I'm quite ignorant about my phone. I struggle to send someone a photo with it. Every time I have to interact with android for anything trickier than making a phone call or sending a text I just end up angry and frustrated.

I don't use apps on my phone except for phone calls and texts, mostly because I have no clues whatsoever.

I'm probably in your target audience, but:

1) Too expensive for something I'm not convinced will improve my life (it seems to me that people who know how to use smartphones spend 90%+ of their free time looking at it, rather than interacting with real live people), which leads to

2) How will learning this make my life better?

Re: I spent a year building an Android course for the elderly

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I just watched the power phone on / off preview, and it has the issues which I assumed it would have.

Long-press to turn on a powered-off phone is not a standard. Even I don't know how to turn these devices on, so I do a combination of multiple short presses, multiple long presses until it works.

Powering the phone off via the button won't work on modern phones, since the hardware power button has become the tool to invoke an assistant. You need to swipe down the notifications twice and use the software power button from there.

In this room I have 6 Android devices from different manufacturers.

Then there are so many OS differences between all the vendors, that it becomes almost impossible to teach someone who doesn't know how Android generally works if it isn't on their own device.

But I congratulate him for doing these videos and hope that the elderly manage to learn from the course.

Re: I spent a year building an Android course for the elderly

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, this isn’t true. There is at least one organization out there launching privacy suits to extract settlements from small players.

Wow... Do you know the orgs name?

I am just going to leave this here: https://www.enforcementtracker.com/

Yeah, you better comply. And it is also pretty simple — if you don't so anything that requires that you get informed consent from your users you don't need to ask them.

Each combination of personal datum and purpose requires such consent if it isn't a strictly needed purpose (legitimate interest). Example: If you have an online shop you can e.g. collect someones address for the purpose of shipping — if they order and enter there address the user implicitly gave you their informed consent that they agree to you using that address to ship the product to them. Logical: when they order and pay money it can be assumed they want to give their address for that purpose.

They did not give you consent to sell that same address off to the highest bidder. If that is what you need to do, you would have to explicitly ask them to whom you want to sell that data and what they plan to do with it — same data, but different purpose. Not legitimate interest since you don't strictly need to do that to sell a product. And you better have a clear wording describing that purpose otherwise you collected uninformed consent and that is worth zlich. If you feel like you need to trick users into agreeing, that is what the law aims to prevent.

IP adresses and such have also been ruled personal data. Server side logging for technical purposes is legitimate interest, but storing the same data anywhere (not only cookies!) for the purpose of ad tracking requires you to get the users informed consent before collecting the data. You can assume that if it can be used to personally identify a user in a sea of users, it is personal data, even if it needs to be used in conjunction with other data to reach that identifiability.

Also: if there is a million "No" switches with two menu layers and one green "Accept" button: you created a nice toy there, but it didn't gather informed concent from your user and is therefore utterly useless. Informed consent must be given freely. If you make one easier than the other it hasn't been given freely. If you visually code one as the good/default and the other as the bad/meaningless/complicated choice, the choice was not made freely. Play stupid games, win stupid prices.

The law is pretty clear on all that, lived reality hasn't cought up yet and people pay real money for that. I recommend that you just read the law, it is probably worth to read instead of copying what everybody else (including the big ones) are doing.

Re: I spent a year building an Android course for the elderly

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I just watched the power phone on / off preview, and it has the issues which I assumed it would have. Long-press to turn on a powered-off phone is not a standard. Even I don't know how to turn these devices on, so I do a combination of multiple short presses, multiple long presses until it works. Powering the phone off via the button won't work on modern phones, since the hardware power button has become the tool to…

>the hardware power button has become the tool to invoke an assistant.

I motherfucking hate this with extreme and excessive prejudice. The fucking power button ends up having nothing to do with fucking power, what level of "War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery" are we even talking about at that point?

Fortunately, my phone (a Sony Xperia) has an option to change it back to turning the fucking phone on/off, but it's still not the default and it's fucking stupid and I fucking hate it.

Re: I spent a year building an Android course for the elderly

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As a now retired guy who grew up loving to question almost everything, it was easy for me to get into electronics when I was able to. (I was a little late, not until my mid thirties.) I especially love reading manuals from the things I purchased. However, I noticed that a lot of people my age didn't share my interest in this area. I helped as often as they would let me, but to a man, they just weren't willing to take…

>They just wanted their stuff to work.

That's the normal attitude people have to almost everything.

I'm sure you can name something you only care to see work and not know how it works; electronics is that to that other person.

It's also why software have (d)evolved to remove customization, because most people don't change the defaults anyway (they don't even know what a "default" is besides the financial term, maybe).

Re: I spent a year building an Android course for the elderly

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Hey this is great - just had a look for my mum! Couple of questions (which without watching are hard to answer) - why the modules on the F-Droid App Store and Firefox? As a (young(er!)) Android user I've used neither and would be unlikely to. I can't imagine my mum would use anything other than Play and Chrome, so it feels a little 'too far' for me, confusion for the sake of it? Also a suggestion - pretty much everyo…

Thank you! Yeah, you are partly right about that (they are not there for confusion's sake). I just didn't had the stomach to leave those things unmentioned as I'm personally not fond of the monopoly either. So thought to still at least put somewhere at the end. Make some poweruser grandmas:) Whatsapp, indeed is a good idea, will add that, thanks!

>Whatsapp, indeed is a good idea, will add that, thanks!

And then, since you have one base covered for one "sphere" of the world, you also need to cover Telegram and Facebook Messenger, rofl

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