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Re: ChatGPT Pro

#41
The main difficulty when pricing a monthly subscription for "unlimited" usage of a product is the 1% of power users who use have extreme use of the product that can kill any profit margins for the product as a whole.

Pricing ChatGPT Pro at $200/mo filters it to only power users/enterprise, and given the cost of the GPT-o1 API, it wouldn't surprise me if those power users burn through $200 worth of compute very, very quickly.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

#42

With the release of Nova earlier this week thats even cheaper (I havent had a chance to really play with it yet to see how good it is) ive been thinking more about what happens when intelligence gets "too cheap to meter", but this def feels like a step in the other direction! Still though, if you were able to actually utilize this, is it capable of replacing a part-time or full-time employee? I think thats likely

Thought this was relating to Nova AI at first which confused me as it is just an OpenAI wrapper - https://novaapp.ai

I see you mean Amazon's Nova - https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/aws/amazon-nova-artificial-...

Re: ChatGPT Pro

#43

I do wonder what effect this will have on furthering the divide between the "rich West" and the rest of the world. If everyone in the West has powerful AI and Agents to automate everything. Simply because we can afford it, but the rest of the world doesn't have access to it. What will that mean for everyone left behind?

I think the tech-elite would espouse "raising the ceiling" vs "raising the floor" models to prioritize progress. Each has it's own problems. The reality is that the dienfranchised don't really have a voice. The impact of not involving them with access is not well understood as much as the impact of prioritizing access to those who can afford it is.

We don't have a post-cold war era response akin to the kind of US led investment in a global pact to provide protection, security, and access to innovation founded in the United States. We really need to prioritize a model akin to the Bretton Woods Accord

Re: ChatGPT Pro

#45

I do wonder what effect this will have on furthering the divide between the "rich West" and the rest of the world. If everyone in the West has powerful AI and Agents to automate everything. Simply because we can afford it, but the rest of the world doesn't have access to it. What will that mean for everyone left behind?

If $200 a month is the price, most of the West will be left behind also. If that happens we will have much bigger problems of a revolution sort on our hands.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

#46

The price feels outrageous, but I think the unsaid truth of this is that they think o1 is good enough to replace employees. For example, if it's really as good at coding as they say, I could see this being a point where some people decide that a team of 5 devs with o1 pro can do the work of 6 or 7 devs without o1 pro.

That sounds very much like the first-order reaction they'd expect from upper and middle management. Artificially high prices can give the buyer the feeling that they're getting more than they really are, as a consequence of the sunk cost fallacy. You can't rule out that they want to dazzle with this impression even if eval metrics remain effectively the same.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

#47
post #15

I am using more Claude.ai these days, but the limitations for paying accounts do apply to ChatGPT as well. I find it a terrible business practice to be completely opaque and vague about limits. Even worse, the limits seem to be dynamic and change all the time. I understand that there is a lot of usage happening, but most likely it means that the $20 per month is too cheap anyway, if an average user like myself can so…

It’s insane to me that they don’t have a “pay $10 to have this temporary limit lifted” micro transaction model. They are leaving money on the table.

They seem to lack capacity at the moment though

Re: ChatGPT Pro

#48
post #15

I am using more Claude.ai these days, but the limitations for paying accounts do apply to ChatGPT as well. I find it a terrible business practice to be completely opaque and vague about limits. Even worse, the limits seem to be dynamic and change all the time. I understand that there is a lot of usage happening, but most likely it means that the $20 per month is too cheap anyway, if an average user like myself can so…

If you go through the API (with chatGPT at least), you pay per request and are never limited. I personally hate the feeling of being nickeled-and-dimed, but it might be what you are looking for.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

#49

The main difficulty when pricing a monthly subscription for "unlimited" usage of a product is the 1% of power users who use have extreme use of the product that can kill any profit margins for the product as a whole. Pricing ChatGPT Pro at $200/mo filters it to only power users/enterprise, and given the cost of the GPT-o1 API, it wouldn't surprise me if those power users burn through $200 worth of compute very, very…

I was testing out a chat app that supported images. Long conversations with multiple images in the conversation can be like .10cents per message after a certain point. It sure does add up quickly

Re: ChatGPT Pro

#50

I do wonder what effect this will have on furthering the divide between the "rich West" and the rest of the world. If everyone in the West has powerful AI and Agents to automate everything. Simply because we can afford it, but the rest of the world doesn't have access to it. What will that mean for everyone left behind?

I’m watching some of this happening first and second hand, and have seen a lot of evidence of companies spending a ton of money on these, spinning up departments, buying companies, pivoting their entire company’s strategy to AI, et c, and zero of its meaningfully replacing employees. It takes very skilled people to use LLMs well, and the companies trying to turn 5 positions into 2 aren’t paying enough to reliably get and keep two people who are good at it.

I’ve seen it be a minor productivity boost, and not much more.

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