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Yes, it ‘looks like a duck,’ but carriers like the new USPS mail truck

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Re: Yes, it ‘looks like a duck,’ but carriers like the new USPS mail truck

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Say what you will about the Grumman LLV, but every one of them you see on the road today is at least 30 years old, and some could be pushing 40. (The similar-looking Ford-Utilimaster FFV is ~25 this year.) As uncomfortable as it must be to sit in one for hours on end (I never had the privilege myself) you've got to respect their longevity. Here's hoping these new trucks make it to the 2050s and beyond.

Constantly starting and stopping, too, in a variety of temperatures.

Re: Yes, it ‘looks like a duck,’ but carriers like the new USPS mail truck

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Interesting that the front windshield only has about 50-60% usable space. On the top this makes sense, as the black coating acts as a sun shade. On the bottom... there goes all the visibility gained by having the low hood. wtf? The upfitter AUX switches appear to be Ford, same for the AC controls.

The final photo in the article appears to show pretty good forward visiblity. Seems fine?

Re: Yes, it ‘looks like a duck,’ but carriers like the new USPS mail truck

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Say what you will about the Grumman LLV, but every one of them you see on the road today is at least 30 years old, and some could be pushing 40. (The similar-looking Ford-Utilimaster FFV is ~25 this year.) As uncomfortable as it must be to sit in one for hours on end (I never had the privilege myself) you've got to respect their longevity. Here's hoping these new trucks make it to the 2050s and beyond.

I'm pretty sure the enemy of vehicle longevity isn't design, but parts supply.

The crown victoria could have kept on supplying police departments for another decade or two if ford didn't discontinue it.

Re: Yes, it ‘looks like a duck,’ but carriers like the new USPS mail truck

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After driving a new Mercedes Vito (I can't describe how insane the controls of this vehicle are, but it has capacitive-touch buttons that you have to swipe to change the stereo volume ON THE STEERING WHEEL), I long for controls that look like this:

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2024/11/20/multimedia/00xp-m...

Re: Yes, it ‘looks like a duck,’ but carriers like the new USPS mail truck

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I've read so much knocking their appearance, which is so confusing to me. It's ultimately function over form in this case; who cares if you don't like how it looks? I can only dream that the visibility and safety of having features like such a low hood and large bumpers would be incorporated into other vehicles (i.e., every SUV ever).

for utilitarian purposes, like the guy was quoted "it gets the job done", but for soccer moms and their SUV looks are important.

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Re: Yes, it ‘looks like a duck,’ but carriers like the new USPS mail truck

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Interesting that the front windshield only has about 50-60% usable space. On the top this makes sense, as the black coating acts as a sun shade. On the bottom... there goes all the visibility gained by having the low hood. wtf? The upfitter AUX switches appear to be Ford, same for the AC controls.

> On the bottom... there goes all the visibility gained by having the low hood. wtf?

That is a little weird, now that I look at it again. But the way you'd use the rest of that bottom space would be by lowering the driver, basically, and that would mean the driver's not as high up over the hood. So maybe getting the higher angle gains more visibility than having them sit lower just to maximize usable windshield area? (The only way you could have both is if the dashboard was transparent.)

Re: Yes, it ‘looks like a duck,’ but carriers like the new USPS mail truck

#47

Interesting that the front windshield only has about 50-60% usable space. On the top this makes sense, as the black coating acts as a sun shade. On the bottom... there goes all the visibility gained by having the low hood. wtf? The upfitter AUX switches appear to be Ford, same for the AC controls.

The camera is positioned so that the side window is visible through the front windshield. I think the "black coating" you are seeing is just the interior of the van, and that the entire front windshield is usable.

Re: Yes, it ‘looks like a duck,’ but carriers like the new USPS mail truck

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Yes, It ‘Looks Like a Duck,’ but... ...but that means it's far safer for pedestrians than the currently-in-vogue "bulldozer" vehicle front ends. I for one welcome our new duck-shaped overlords.

Direct Vision Standards[0] should implemented as a mandatory requirement everywhere for large vehicles traveling in cities or residential areas where there's "soft road users"[1] (pedestrians, cyclists). Should be able to see straight to the side and know you're not running someone over. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Vision_Standard [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-motorist

I was squeezing by in front of a modern garbage truck this morning that basically had a glass side door. It was great: I could actually establish eye contact with the driver and sign that I was going to drive in front of him and he could give me small wave to go ahead. The driver of a less modern truck would have had no way at all to see me, much less communicate with me.

Re: Yes, it ‘looks like a duck,’ but carriers like the new USPS mail truck

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How could they not love them in comparison to the 30+ year old vehicles they've been driving?

Cultural hostility among a subpopulation to electric vehicles as "woke"? Ordinary sentimentality and the natural human discomfort with change?

I have great faith in the ability of ahem some individuals to harm themselves out of spite or inability to recognize inbound leopards, but I'm pretty sure that even those would find the new vehicles to be an improvement even if they're EVs - at least if they're actually driving the old and new vehicles.
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