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Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by nyclounge »

coldtrait wrote: post #30
millzlane wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, my dumbass used Google voice as my main 2fa number and recently lost access to it. Can't get it back and I'm locked out of everything. Don't be like me. Google really can't be trusted for personal or business use. If I could talk to a human and pay $100 for it I would.

I used to live in the US and use voice as my primary number for everything. I don't think there is a better option.

Not for free!

When you are not paying for the product then you are the product!!

But it is NOT that hard for HN community to get VOIP number over SIP. All the smart phones have a sip client now days.

Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by serial_dev »

danjl wrote: post #17
p_l wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about backups - it's about loss of ongoing use infrastructure

The backup mitigates the problem because, if you are banned, which only happens to fools and fakes, you can take the backup and set it up on another service. Sure, you lose a couple of days of time migrating, but that's not a reason to avoid choosing a better solution.

A couple of days migrating can be a 100K+ outage in lost work if you have around 50 employees.

And for this estimation, I’m really taking your word that migrating 50 people in an emergency is really going to take only a couple of days, which I honestly don’t believe.

Sure, if you get a business account for your solo business, a backup will save you. If you have more people or a non trivial Google setup, the backup recovery is it’s on challenge while you could be working on your business if they didn’t, in this hypothetical but very possible scenario, lock you out of your business tools.

Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by _blk »

millzlane wrote: post #36
coldtrait wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to live in the US and use voice as my primary number for everything. I don't think there is a better option.

Just use it everyday and you'll be good.

Doesn't seem to do too well with foreign numbers. Never had issues calling but 2FA texts don't come through.

Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by wanderingmind »

I suggest Zoho one. It's been in service for many many years. It's not as feature rich as Google or MSFT, but their service is fantastic and gives you all options a small business needs (office, marketing, CRM, sales, HR, Finance among others).

https://www.zoho.com/one/

Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by _blk »

pcb-rework wrote: post #9

Proton suffers from the Lavabit problem but worse, it pretends to offer security and freedom when it does neither and acts as a tool of foreign governments to abuse individuals. Use your own GPG keys and better clients, preferably with self-hosting in Iceland or Sweden.

Protonmail is not Crypto AG. Swiss laws are great for that purpose and it's a nice island inside the EU. Also a few actual cases disclosed by Proton that show the workings when collaboration does indeed happen: "here's the encrypted data that we store. Good luck."

As long as you keep emailing within the Proton realm, there's not much risk of a data leak or foreign govt. intervention. Maybe a denial of service? Or why do you see this as a risk?

Personally I love that they explore more for businesses but as a full biz suite they're not quite there yet. Love their email and VPN though.

For extra email privacy you can still use proton on a separate domain or a subdomain https://bitcreed.us/bitblog/howto-protonmail-as-secure-whist...

Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by kfrane »

nemosaltat wrote: post #19
metalmangler wrote: post #5

I am bootstraping, and have used proton for years as my only email, but have my own email now, and am slowly backing out of proton. The horrible way that they extort by limiting and degrading a service is only part of the problem.They degraded email replies at one point, to a tiny "page" with less than one full line of text. There is more, but proton is not worth the effort to remember and detail all of it. I will us…

Same here. When you say your own email, do you mean Fastmail? I love Proton and they got me and my SO largely off of Google. Fastmail is just so good, I’m going to migrate everything there eventually.

I migrated from gmail to proton then to fastmail and I can now really appreciate how much more polished gmail was. My biggest pain is fastmail's ios app, e.g. clicking on an email notification will in 50% of cases result in fastmail's app to open in an unresponsive state where I have to forcefully quit the app and start again. It's been like that for close to two years now.

Re: Has anyone used Proton Business Suite rather than Google's for a startup?

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Post by 3np »

nemosaltat wrote: post #19
metalmangler wrote: post #5

I am bootstraping, and have used proton for years as my only email, but have my own email now, and am slowly backing out of proton. The horrible way that they extort by limiting and degrading a service is only part of the problem.They degraded email replies at one point, to a tiny "page" with less than one full line of text. There is more, but proton is not worth the effort to remember and detail all of it. I will us…

Same here. When you say your own email, do you mean Fastmail? I love Proton and they got me and my SO largely off of Google. Fastmail is just so good, I’m going to migrate everything there eventually.

> When you say your own email, do you mean Fastmail?

I assume they mean they run their own server now.

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