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Institutional memory and reverse smuggling (2011)

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Re: Institutional memory and reverse smuggling (2011)

#41
This technical archaeology thing, it's a rare skill. It's not hard, but requires patience and empathy (in addition to technical expertise).

The few engineers I know that have this, went through some sort of ritual passage. A project or idea that forced them into digging.

Re: Institutional memory and reverse smuggling (2011)

#42
Was listening to a podcast where the interviewee talked about this problem in aerospace. We are quickly approaching a point in the industry where Boeing for example won't have anyone left that has been part of a clean-sheet design and production assembly line for a new passenger jet.

The 787 design & assembly line spin-up work was done 2004~2007.

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#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NASA wastes billions and billions of dollars on space projects that will likely never fly. Rest assured, there’s still plenty of political mileage to be had from space money.

Is Artemis really that upsetting... =3

Honestly yes. Imagine the cool stuff we could have had if that money was put to good use.

Re: Institutional memory and reverse smuggling (2011)

#45
post #6

This reminds me of the Saturn V. If I remember correctly, no one knows how it works anymore. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_V

Lol, NASA literally left an instruction manual on how to go to space, and return safely. The contributions those folks have made over the years is related to just about everything you depend on these days. People just choose to ignore the documentation, as there is less political mileage in throwing money into space these days. =3

>Lol, NASA literally left an instruction manual on how to go to space, and return safely.

This, I'm so sick of this "no one knows how x works anymore" when it comes to ancient technology. Aerospace engineering is a whole field, do people seriously think we've just forgotten how to get to space?

Re: Institutional memory and reverse smuggling (2011)

#46
yet another working class chutzpa who cannot see the golden opportunity he's sitting on top of. this is a very sad history. executives fired people and operated under sane staff levels in a bet their knowledge was unnecessary, now thanks to this guy lack of both class conscience and self worth they don't have to suffer any consequence of losing that bet. guess they did bet right after all.

Re: Institutional memory and reverse smuggling (2011)

#47

This is something ive seen at three defense companies ive worked for. They will toss the new hires in bad times but hang onto the old timers and let them do as the please. The rto never applies to them and they horde like smaug. The best job in defense is to be one of these. Boeing made lip service to passing on knowledge but when it came to true core ppl they were never part of the process.

I was supposed to do knowledge transfer at one job but I burned out and quit before it got done because my job was knowledge transfer, training new hires in C++ itself, putting out fires, fixing bugs, and shipping new features that had already been promised to customers I'd never heard of.

In terms of "Ars Longa, Vita Brevis" [1], I'm not as good of an indexer / teacher as I wish I was.

https://www.slatestarcodexabridged.com/Ars-Longa-Vita-Brevis

Re: Institutional memory and reverse smuggling (2011)

#48

>Unfortunately, the internal team doesn't know what the secrets are, while I do. I even invented a few of them, and have my name on some related patents. I'm confused about how something can be both a secret and patented. Isn't the point of a patent that it is public and no longer secret?

That's the game. Put in enough detail to get the patent but not enough to actually implement the invention.

Re: Institutional memory and reverse smuggling (2011)

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Git is only 19 years old, I suspect the bigger problems in this area are more likely to be 30+ year old, as most of the people who built such systems are likely to be retired.

Some git repos were ported over from SVN repos that were migrated from CVS. I never migrated anything into CVS, so I don't know if that was common at the time. But there are a lot of git repos out there with commits older than git itself (the Linux kernel itself I'm sure is the most prominent example).

I did migrate several projects from tarballs to RCS, and then a decade later to CVS. The biggest thing back then. Renaming dirs and files directly on the central server. Good old days.

Several embedded colleagues still work on pre-tarball workflows though: zip files and word documents.

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