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How are vias manufactured, and why tungsten (I suppose it has something to do with high fusion point?).
Antenna Diodes in the Pentium Processor
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Re: Antenna Diodes in the Pentium Processor
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Reading through, appears this is mostly a manufacturing concern that goes away once the chip is actually active. Correct? The charge buildup goes away, and then there's no further need for the diode antenna. However, second question, does any chip actually use these for anything afterward? Or are these ever built so they actually do something other than simple provide manufacturing protection? Example, they build up…
You're correct that these are for manufacturing only. I've never heard of them being used for actual design purposes and that's probably because if you wanted an actual diode, you'd just use a "real" one.
Re: Antenna Diodes in the Pentium Processor
#43I hopped onto the Moore's law bus during the 180-nm to 130-nm transition. I hopped back off during the 65 to 45-nm transition, and I'm glad I did. I can't even imagine what EDA tools have to deal with now.
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Indeed! A thought experiment I have some times is to imagine that every machine on the earth was destroyed overnight. We still have mines, people, books. How long would it take to get back to the level of industrialisation and science that would allow us to make (in this case) a 3 million transistor chip? The vast majority of people have little idea of how much intellectual effort has gone into the current state of t…
Indeed. A lady at a bar in Portland once inquired what I thought humanity’s most advanced technological achievement was, after a slight pause I said the modern microprocessor. She laughed in my face at the suggestion. But when I pressed her for an answer of her own, she refueled to say, instead would only insist that my answer was ridiculous. Odd lady.
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Your pictures give insight into such a small world, individual freaking transistors on a CPU chip! Reading textbooks and wiki is one thing, but seeing silicon spliced up and photographed up close is another. Very interesting read, and very well presented too, thank you.
It'd be interesting to see how big a CPU chip scaled up to be big enough for a human to fit in (were it hollowed out) would end up being.
Re: Antenna Diodes in the Pentium Processor
#46Author here: I know this is a very obscure topic, but hopefully it will be interesting to some. Let me know if there are any questions...
Great article! > Note that when the chip is completed, every transistor gate is connected to another transistor's source or drain (which provides the signal to the gate) That's a very curious assertion, which made me think a bit more (it feels incorrect at first but on a second thought it looks correct) I would think of "pure input pins" but I suppose those have pull-up or pull-down "resistors" which in silicon are a…
Re: Antenna Diodes in the Pentium Processor
#47chuckle brings back good memories. I worked at Intel before and during the Pentium era, and I remember how much effort we had to put into fixing our EDA tools to be able to handle these sorts of things. I hopped onto the Moore's law bus during the 180-nm to 130-nm transition. I hopped back off during the 65 to 45-nm transition, and I'm glad I did. I can't even imagine what EDA tools have to deal with now.
Re: Antenna Diodes in the Pentium Processor
#48chuckle brings back good memories. I worked at Intel before and during the Pentium era, and I remember how much effort we had to put into fixing our EDA tools to be able to handle these sorts of things. I hopped onto the Moore's law bus during the 180-nm to 130-nm transition. I hopped back off during the 65 to 45-nm transition, and I'm glad I did. I can't even imagine what EDA tools have to deal with now.
Do you have any interesting stories of chip development during that era? What sort of EDA tools did you use?
In school, your programming exercises are well-defined, small, and can be completed in a few days. First day of my internship with Intel: "Here is a 50,000-line program somebody has been working on for 8 months. But it's too slow, we need to you speed it up by 10x before the summer ends." LMAO. But I figured out how to do even better than that. The routing graph was implemented using pointers from one node to another. But the grid was rectilinear and not very sparse so I could just use a 2d-array to store the graph. Improved memory, improved cache utilization--it ran 2,000 times faster :-) I got a divisional award and so many stock options I was able to buy a house and a brand-new porsche 911 a few years later.
Imagine your job is to solve an NP-hard problem. Like placing the cells on a chip, or routing the chip. The runtime grows exponentially with your problem size....
...and your problem size doubles every two years :-) Every two years, all your data structures, all your algorithms, have to be revamped so that they can handle twice as much data. We used to call it "Even More's Law" :-)
As far as what tools we used, back then Intel mostly used in-house designed tools. They were not very friendly to newbs, they were built for power users. Hard to use, cryptic commands. Hyper customized to Intel's design flows. Could not be used at any other company.
Every year it became harder and harder to compete with outside vendors like Cadence and Synopsis. Eventually, the era of chip companies making their own EDA tools ended. It was fun until it ended.
The best part, though, was it was the 90's. The iron curtain had fallen, we were friends with Russia and the east block :-) Bill Clinton had eliminated the budget deficit, so borrowing costs were very low, and businesses could expand. The whole dot com thing was going on, and everybody was making more money than they could count.
Then...the supreme court puts George W in office. We spent $3 trillion on oil wars, for false reasons, and for which we got nothing in return. Sure did piss off all of our new friends like Russia, though.
Record surpluses went to record deficits. Interest rates rose, and the entire world economy just collapsed in 2008. Which was right around when this year's high-school graduates were born....nobody has seen what the economy should be like for over a generation now.
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Do you have any interesting stories of chip development during that era? What sort of EDA tools did you use?
I could geeze all day, like the geezer I am, with stories about the good old days :-) In school, your programming exercises are well-defined, small, and can be completed in a few days. First day of my internship with Intel: "Here is a 50,000-line program somebody has been working on for 8 months. But it's too slow, we need to you speed it up by 10x before the summer ends." LMAO. But I figured out how to do even bette…
Both Synopsys and Cadence exists because of the work Alberto Sangiovanni-Vincentelli and his students at Berkeley did for Intel to enable synthesis and automatic layout of 386. He was co-founder of both :)
Re: Antenna Diodes in the Pentium Processor
#50Author here: I know this is a very obscure topic, but hopefully it will be interesting to some. Let me know if there are any questions...
Are these structures automatically added by most EDA tools? (If not, why not?)