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Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Safari is like IE for not implementing standards everyone else has agreed on and implemented.

Some of those unimplemented “standards” are to protect user privacy. I know this is not universally the case, but it’s worth calling out.

You can fingerprint a browser to > 99.9% accuracy because of Google's lax approach to privacy and security when adding new features.

Of course this benefits the advertising side of the business immensely.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Safari. I assumed this was overblown until I had the rich experience of developing a Flutter app that needed to work on every platform. Somehow, even Androids chaos is notably better to work with.

A Google product didn't work right on iOS? Shocking.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Safari is like IE for not implementing standards everyone else has agreed on and implemented.

Safari states their position on standards here: https://webkit.org/standards-positions/ IMO they have good reasons for opposing most of the standards

I searched that page and their github repo for "inputmode" (my example from before you posted) and couldn't find anything.

https://github.com/WebKit/standards-positions/issues?q=input...

I'd love to find out if anyone on the webkit project is aware of that part of the standard, and if so, the project's official position on it. I can't imagine why they'd oppose it.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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The only problem with Chrome: It's controlled by an advertising company.

And you see evidence of this influence throughout Chrome.

For example, Apple simply blocked third party cookies which are almost exclusively used for tracking. Chrome waited years until they could add their Advertising Sandbox feature first.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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The number of websites that only work on chrome really sucks. It's a small percentage, but it's enough that you run into them and I hate that very much.

But unless I'm actively campaigning everyone I know to switch in an effort to save them from it, I'm going to reserve the term "the new ie" for another day.

Not to mention the developer story. Just getting a website to look right in every browser was difficult, with IE very often being by far the hardest.

IE was a nightmare for a long time.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Just to (mostly) preempt this because the exact same discussion is had every time this sentiment comes up: Isn't safari the new IE? Answer: They both are like IE, for different reasons: Chrome: Pushes proprietary extensions onto the web, which due to their absolute dominance others are somewhat forced to adopt, people develop for it and don't test in any other browser, just like IE Safari: is coupled to operating sys…

What are these proprietary extensions?

if you want a really old example, pnacl. If you want a slightly recent one, FLoC. Not saying those are the best examples, they are just what comes to my head first. I don't really keep up super closely.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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post #25

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Such as?

Here's a breakdown: https://caniuse.com/?compare=chrome+131,safari+18.1&compareC...

So, things that are either impossible (touch events or vibration) or ridiculous (why would I want a website to know my battery level or directly access system hardware?)

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a breakdown: https://caniuse.com/?compare=chrome+131,safari+18.1&compareC...

So, things that are either impossible (touch events or vibration) or ridiculous (why would I want a website to know my battery level or directly access system hardware?)

I'd guess for the same reason we want native apps to be able to do that.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Depreciating old "features" like supporting legacy OS versions which is infuriating. Firefox is an inadequate substitute because too many sites only work in Chrome. I blame lazy developers for this mess all around, which had caused a perfect storm of shit on the nouveau web.

I've run into exactly zero sites, that don't want to update some firmware on some piece of hardware over usb, that don't work on firefox.

Congratulations.

Maybe in the future in lieu of additional testing, the development team should just check in with you, and if you declare it sunshine and rainbows, ship it.

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